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If you are white and claim there is Systemic Racism

Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:19 am
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7570 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:19 am
can you tell me about it?

I'm half a century old, a white male, and I have never seen it.

I have met individual racists and seen them in the news.

But I have never been in an institution, business or organization that had any signs of racism.

In fact, all I see are constant actions to increase diversity and inclusion.

Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9044 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:33 am to
Words mean things. Well, they used to.

"Systemic racism" was actually a thing. Jim Crow laws. Government enforced and sanctioned segregation. These are examples of actual systemic racism. Inequality actually built into the system.

There is not single example of systemic racism that exists today. Racism certainly exists, but any vestiges of systemic racism that work against minorities are long gone. If anything, the only systemic racism that exists nowadays is designed to help minorities.

To argue that "systemic racism" exists in our police forces, you'd have to show me some sort of official document, policy, handbook, etc. that says something to the effect of "if suspect is white, then do X. If the suspect is non-white, then do Y."
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:36 am to
Affirmative Action is systemic racism by definition.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7835 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:44 am to
quote:

Affirmative Action is systemic racism by definition.


Fact. I once had a conversation with a coworker who felt he was viewed as a token to meet the quota. Poor guy was good at his job, but the stigma still remained in his mind.
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12302 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:46 am to
I think there's sexism and racism that's so subtle that people don't realize it, and I mean that not just whites towards blacks, but really every race towards other races.
Posted by Tulane Sam
Member since Jun 2020
57 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:48 am to
The only systemic racism, meaning lawfully allowing discrimination against you, is against white people.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:51 am to
quote:

Systemic Racism


affirmative action
minority scholarships
Posted by CDawson
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
16411 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:51 am to
Affirmative Action is the only form of Institutional Racism that I am aware.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51580 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:51 am to

quote:

If you are white and claim there is Systemic Racism


It's the same thing liberals have been doing since forever. At one point there was a definite issue so they came out and protested. Things changed (and that point can be proven) but they still had the lust for fighting some great evil so they ignore (or at least downplay) the change.

This means that for them any instance that could possibly be interpreted as racism not only is racism but it's evidence of systemic racism.
Posted by Tigerbiscuits
Mid-City
Member since Nov 2011
988 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:52 am to
I’m as upset as anyone with the going’s on and group think tearing people apart. I can't believe they turned on a good man like Drew Brees, then dismissed his attempt to make it right. With that, I will try to explain what I believe is an example of systemic racism:

When I was younger I got myself into some trouble. I had to go to court often for various offenses, one violent and a couple marijuana related. My courtroom experience was in East Baton Rouge, Calcasieu Parish, and Harris County. Whether it was an arraignment, sentencing, or probation hearing I would have to wait in a courtroom as they called a docket of 20-30 people, the majority of whom were young black males. Without fail, every single one of us would be questioned about drugs in our system by the presiding judge (both black and white judges). Of course we all denied the presence of any illegal substance in our system. What shocked me was that every black person was sent for a drug test while I never was. Maybe it's because of the way I presented myself, who knows. Point being that if I were black I would feel slighted by the system and upset that I was not afforded the same benefit of the doubt as white offenders. Again, this was only my experience and I have no empirical data to back it up but to this day I remember how wrong that felt. So when someone says systemic racism, they may be talking about a judicial system that assumes guilt based on skin color. The majority of these offenders were simple drug possession or other misdemeanors. If you add in the community elements, I can understand why some black people would lose faith in the system and turn to a life of crime.

Please understand that I am not advocating for anything that's happening right now. I'm now married with 2 kids, own my house, and am a professional engineer. I was afforded the opportunity to right my wrongs and I hope that all people in this country are as well. It just didn't feel that way in my experience. Feel free to bash me or ask any more details because your question seems genuine.
Posted by DucTape
Member since Oct 2019
580 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:52 am to
I think the biggest thing that has contributed to this idea was essentially designing the ghettos. That has caused a chain reaction over a long period of time. That is probably the one thing that they could use in their argument, but the crazy thing is that it rarely even pointed out. They generally use imaginary points brought on by feelings.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:54 am
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26781 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:54 am to
quote:


Fact. I once had a conversation with a coworker who felt he was viewed as a token to meet the quota. Poor guy was good at his job, but the stigma still remained in his mind


I think i might have been part of a quota when I worked at burger King in the summer of 89 in Memphis. I was one of only 2 whites there. When they needed to send people home early on a shift..."send the white boy home, we don't need him" was always the demand.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 10:11 am to
In the 2006 bulletin, the FBI detailed the threat of white nationalists and skinheads infiltrating police in order to disrupt investigations against fellow members and recruit other supremacists. The bulletin was released during a period of scandal for many law enforcement agencies throughout the country, including a neo-Nazi gang formed by members of the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department who harassed black and Latino communities. Similar investigations revealed officers and entire agencies with hate group ties in Illinois, Ohio and Texas.
Much of the bulletin has been redacted, but in it, the FBI identified white supremacists in law enforcement as a concern, because of their access to both “restricted areas vulnerable to sabotage” and elected officials or people who could be seen as “potential targets for violence.” The memo also warned of “ghost skins,” hate group members who don’t overtly display their beliefs in order to “blend into society and covertly advance white supremacist causes.”
“At least one white supremacist group has reportedly encouraged ghost skins to seek positions in law enforcement for the capability of alerting skinhead crews of pending investigative action against them,” the report read.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
22796 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 10:12 am to
I think subtle biases get labeled as systemic issues that need to be addressed with aggressive policies. Those subtle biases are fair to be scrutinized with corrective actions being explored. I believe many times they end up being then blown out of proportion with a solution that is not appropriate and/or counterproductive.
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7570 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:52 pm to
Nice copy and paste from PBS.

Go read the actual bulletin. It is filled with "may" all over the place. Not a single shred of evidence of anything happening.

In fact, the "Ghost skins" part is mentioned because they saw "one post on the internet" about it. Nothing at all about it actually happening.

Fake news just like the Russia BS.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140383 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:57 pm to
They must have identified and arrested those white supremacist cops. How many did they arrest?
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6229 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

can you tell me about it?



Black people in the country represent 13% of the public, while representing 50% of those incarcerated.

Unless you're willing to admit that your explanation to this is that black people inherently commit more crimes, then the explanation becomes pretty apparent as an issue with the system.
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Nothing at all about it actually happening.


I think that the escalations in police violence bear out the analysis by the FBI. And you will find the word "may" in any predictive analytic, because the future is uncertain.

Around the same time, the FBI noted that white supremacist groups were seeding usenet, yahoo chatrooms, news comment sections, and other user boards in a concerted effort to recruit others and seed their hateful rhetoric through "soft tactics". I notice a lot of their techniques being used by certain race-baiting posters on this very forum.

Food for thought...
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 3:39 pm
Posted by blackinthesaddle
Alabama
Member since Jan 2013
1732 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

They must have identified and arrested those white supremacist cops.


And this brings us to the systemic part of Systemic Institutional Racism. Good job, guy, you're almost to full sentience.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17888 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

I think that the escalations in police violence bear out the analysis by the FBI


What escalation? What are the details here?
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