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re: If you are OK/Celebrating Alex Jones being banned but had no issues with Sarah Jeong

Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:35 pm to
Posted by sicboy
Because Awesome
Member since Nov 2010
77579 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:35 pm to
So I'm trying to read up on old Sarah because I honestly hadn't heard of her until this board brought it up, and it looks like all of those tweets were for a short period, and in the opinion of a lot of people, satire of internet culture as a whole (I'm not going to get into that since I haven't read all of it, just what I read). Biggest difference there is Alex Jones has kept it up. But dang, try finding any article on the Jeong hiring at NYT that isn't completely subjective.

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And this is what the conservative critiques of Jeong — even the good-faith ones, like Sullivan’s and French’s — miss entirely. When you talk about race and identity, the context in which you’re operating is absolutely inescapable. The sentence “white people run America” may use most of the same words as “Jews run America,” but the former is mostly true while the latter is an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

Historical structures of oppression, along race and other identity lines, shape the way Americans see the world deeply and profoundly. Everything that’s said about minority groups is interpreted through the weight of these expectations. One study found that children start thinking in racist terms when they’re about 8 years old. It’s absurd to pretend, given centuries of racialized oppression, that the phrases “white people” and “black people” can be swapped in a sentence without profoundly changing the meaning.

This is indicative of a broader failing in the conservative movement.

The weight of history is typically minimized, with the success or failure of minority groups being seen in colorblind, individualized terms. If black people aren’t as wealthy as whites, it’s not the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow and redlining; it’s because they’re lazy, or addicted to welfare, or (as Sullivan has posited) simply genetically less likely to be intelligent. There has to be some explanation other than the fact that everything in our society is structured around a longstanding racial caste system, one that persists even after the laws have been made on-face colorblind.


I've never read the vox, and I guess I'm to closed minded to keep doing it.

Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:35 pm to
You pretty much just try to do that in every thread anyways.
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131365 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:36 pm to
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It's been tried. It was fought by all the big tech companies vigorously so it never really had a shot.




Eventually a new platform will emerge. But if the marketplace truly makes it impossible to compete, that is what regulation is designed for. So in this one instance, regulation to free up the marketplace isn't a bad thing. It's just important to deregulate once the playing field has been leveled.
This post was edited on 9/6/18 at 6:43 pm
Posted by JohnZeroQ
Pelicans of Lafourche
Member since Jan 2012
8513 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:37 pm to
Solid OP. Could not agree anymore.

We live in the wackiest of times. It really pisses me off and makes me outspoken IRL constantly about it.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24581 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:38 pm to
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You pretty much just try to do that in every thread anyways.


So you agree that’s a pretty annoying reason to support and laugh at this? Weird how it took a little perspective.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24581 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:40 pm to
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But if the marketplace truly makes it impossible to compete, that is what regulation is designed for.


So you’ll be front and center next time parmen or someone on this board asks how many are dead because of NN being repealed? Surely you see your new POV
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:41 pm to
I never claimed not to be. All ive said is that if you support the actual practice then youre a threat to the 1A because you would most likely also support it coming from the government. I even stated i wasnt talking about you or juice in particular after he stated he also supported the business's rights in the gay baker case.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73526 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:43 pm to
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how many are dead because of NN being repealed?


What was the final body count?

Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24581 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:44 pm to
I’m okay with this, I’m okay with bakery’s not serving whoever, I’m okay with Alex jones being let back on, I’m okay with Sarah jeong being banned.

Does that clear it up
Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7771 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:44 pm to
I would say conservatives should just spin up their own platform, but lets face it....they are neither innovative or creative
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:44 pm to
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It has been tried. Even that has had issues as it has been censored by tech companies where they have tried to host it.

Weak sauce. There are literally thousands of datacenters to host in the world, not to mention you can build your own datacenter.

Anyway, the reason there hasn't been a conservative social media network is there is no need. The network effect is a real thing, and its better to have a few larger networks than more small ones.

I do agree that the social networks should have some regulation regarding participation. They should have a documented process on why you lose an account along with a method to appeal them taking it from you arbitrated by a third party, cost is born by loser of it.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:46 pm to
Not really annoying id just think youre an idiot. I dont think you will find me saying anything to that effect though. I dont support things solely to piss people off.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:49 pm to
I already stated several times the type of person im referring to and also said it wasnt you twice. It was already cleared up but apparently you arent getting what im saying.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:49 pm to
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ll ive said is that if you support the actual practice then youre a threat to the 1A because you would most likely also support it coming from the government.
But private businesses censor things every day. Are you OK with infowars not playing Trump should be impeached! videos? Would you support government censorship?
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24581 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:53 pm to
I guess I’m just trying to figure out what’s the difference in people on this board cheering about something they disagree with just to anger a side, and whoever is cheering that AJ is banned. To me they both seem like agenda driven pricks...
Posted by volod
Leesville, LA
Member since Jun 2014
5392 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 6:57 pm to

I'm not a fan of either of them. Honestly I think both of them should be kicked off.

That said, you are only going to fix this with a conservative Facebook or Twitter clone. Even then, you have to assess how many conservatives will use it.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 7:03 pm to
Youre talking about simply supporting the right to do it which i do. Im talking about people celebrating the practice which i find despicable. We probably agree for the most part on this because we both support private business' rights but we can't get past the semantics so im done talking in circles with you on this one.
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
34640 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 7:04 pm to
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"It'll eventually happen. You'll see."


It always does.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 7:06 pm to
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I guess I’m just trying to figure out what’s the difference in people on this board cheering about something they disagree with just to anger a side

You would have to provide some examples
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
131365 posts
Posted on 9/6/18 at 7:07 pm to
I'm more confused as to why Milo was banned "for life" vs Alex Jones.

It's pretty obvious there is a double standard being applied by Twitter to its users.

It would only take a new platform to emerge and for RealDonaldTrump to move from Twitter to give the new platform a legitimate shot of becoming successful.

But then you just have a more conservative echo chamber and that would quickly become boring too.

I predict it won't be long before these tech platforms are managed by something similar to the FCC.
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