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If this analysis is accurate, the biden tax plan DOES hit middle and upper middle class
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:56 pm
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Sure enough, most of Biden's proposed tax hikes — limited deductions and higher rates, for example — apply only to those earning $400,000 or more.
But Biden’s proposed change to 401(k) plans will hike taxes on the middle class. If you’re a single earner earning the median household income, Biden’s plan would give you a $1,000 tax hike, and mostly (but not fully) offset that tax hike with a government contribution to your retirement account.
Here’s how it would happen:
Under current law, income you put in your 401(k) retirement account today doesn’t get taxed until you can actually touch it— which is at retirement, at 59 and a half years old. It’s not a tax deduction like the deductions you get for health insurance and mortgage interest, as much as it’s a tax deferral. You will pay taxes on that income, but not until you get your hands on it and can spend it.
If you earn $62,400, which is close to the median household income in the United States, and you take the standard deduction ($12,400), leaving your taxable income at $50,000, and your federal income tax burden would be $8,963. (We’re simplifying this by removing other deductions and taxes.)
But say you want to save $5,000 a year for retirement. Then you get your employer to sock away $5,000 in your 401(k), which reduces your taxable income to $45,000, and thus reduces your taxes to $7,863 — down from $8,963. That $1,100 tax savings is equal to your $5,000 contribution multiplied by your 22% marginal tax rate.
Because of that tax savings of $1,100, you reduced your take-home money by only $3,900 in order to increase your retirement account by $5,000 — but remember, you’ll pay taxes on that $5,000, and all its earnings, once you cash it out in retirement.
Biden would tax you on that $5,000 you socked away, even though you don’t get to spend it, and even though he will tax you on it again when you cash out in retirement. To make up for it, Biden would have Uncle Sam make a contribution to your 401(k).
So if Biden were elected, and our $62,400-earner wanted $5,000 in his account, he could reduce his contribution to $3,968, and Biden would match 26% of that ($1,032), bringing the total contribution to $5,000. Our taxpayer would get zero tax break, a net $1,100 tax hike compared to current law, but would instead get a $1,032 gift from Uncle Sam in the form of a retirement contribution. So if you want to count the $1,032 as a tax credit (which is what Biden calls it), offsetting the $1,100 tax hike, it nets out to a small tax hike, but it’s a tax hike.
Your retirement account gets the same amount of money, you take home a little bit less money, and Uncle Sam takes home a tiny bit more money.
If you go up to a $100,000 earner trying to contribute 10%, whose taxes Biden promises not to hike, the tax hike would be bigger (about $335 less in take-home pay) because he’s in the 24% tax bracket.
Someone earning $350,000 is very high income, but Biden still swears this guy won't get a tax hike under his plan. If we take his plan seriously, though, that earner making sure $10,000 goes into his 401(k) a year will see a $3,500 tax hike and a retirement subsidy of less than $2,100 — decreasing his take-home pay $1,400.
Now this differential, a larger tax hike for higher-income people, is exactly what Biden is aiming for with this 401(k) plan. The current system provides more incentive for people to save for retirement as their income grows because excluding income from current-year taxation becomes more valuable, the higher your tax bracket. Biden's plan would increase the incentive of lower earners to contribute and decrease the incentive of higher earners.
Maybe you agree with Biden that middle-class people and above should get a tax hike for saving for retirement in order to subsidize retirement savings by lower earners, but this is still a proposed tax hike on middle-income people.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:57 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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biden tax plan DOES hit middle and upper middle class
Every democratic "tax plan" hits the middle class.....every single time
Posted on 9/15/20 at 12:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Biden’s plan would give you a $1,000 tax hike, and mostly (but not fully) offset that tax hike with a government contribution to your retirement account.
But what if you NEED CASH NOW?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:00 pm to TigerStripes30
So my Roth is untouched?
For now at least?
For now at least?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:01 pm to TigerStripes30
quote:Of course. That's where the money is.
Every democratic "tax plan" hits the middle class.....every single time
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
he also said he would do away with trumps tax cuts.
which means- guess what- more taxes for everyone
which means- guess what- more taxes for everyone
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:01 pm to TigerStripes30
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Every democratic "tax plan" hits the middle class.....every single time
Yep, I do not need an analysis to tell me that if a Dem is in the Whitehouse, it sucks for tax purposes... and usually the economy... and pretty much everything else...
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:02 pm to Sooner5030
It's not the tax plan that will hurt.
Double or triple the cost of electricity.
Double or triple the cost of food
Double or triple the cost of clothing and essentials..
Double or triple the cost of electricity.
Double or triple the cost of food
Double or triple the cost of clothing and essentials..
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:02 pm to ksayetiger
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which means- guess what- more taxes for everyone
Getting rid of the tax cuts will also get rid of the SALT caps. So city dwellers could be paying less while we get screwed.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:03 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Another reason stupid Joe's plan is BS:
1) Biden will raises taxes on businesses.
2) Businesses will then raise prices on goods and services.
3) Good and services purchased will cost each citizen more and therefore Joe Q. Citizen will have less money than before Biden raised the tax on businesses.
Duh
1) Biden will raises taxes on businesses.
2) Businesses will then raise prices on goods and services.
3) Good and services purchased will cost each citizen more and therefore Joe Q. Citizen will have less money than before Biden raised the tax on businesses.
Duh
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:03 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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But what if you NEED CASH NOW?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Plus he's going to roll back the Trump tax cuts. IE everyone's taxes are going up.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:12 pm to bluedragon
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It's not the tax plan that will hurt.
Double or triple the cost of electricity.
Double or triple the cost of food
Double or triple the cost of clothing and essentials..
Im not disagreeing with you at all. My sole focus here is what happens to my Roth. Based on the rules at the time I accepted paying taxes on that income.....investing it in a requirement account so that my cap gains on that investment would not be taxed. If those rules change than I'd rather just put that money in a non-retirement investment account.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:19 pm to Bham Bammer
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Plus he's going to roll back the Trump tax cuts. IE everyone's taxes are going up.
This is problematic, but as good conservatives we have to draw the line at taxing the the ultra-wealthy. Sure, they may be funding all the chaos in the streets, the virus bullshite, are fighting to keep the border open and are spending hundreds of millions to get Trump voted out, but we cannot stand for Jeff Bezos to be taxed.
This probably goes without saying.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:20 pm to Sooner5030
Remember, Elizabeth Warren will be heading the Economics Department and she has already declared war on Wall Street and Corporate America.
There is also a move to steal the ownership of the Electric Utility system. Many retirement accounts hold Utility stock as a safe gap measure against the wild swings in the stock market. Once the Utilities are all federalized and NOT Controlled by state Utility boards .......
We will look like PREPA, the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority. Get used to reading by candle light.
There is also a move to steal the ownership of the Electric Utility system. Many retirement accounts hold Utility stock as a safe gap measure against the wild swings in the stock market. Once the Utilities are all federalized and NOT Controlled by state Utility boards .......
We will look like PREPA, the Puerto Rico Electric Power Authority. Get used to reading by candle light.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:35 pm to TigerStripes30
Biden repealing Trump's tax cuts alone is going to cost me $2200 a year and I don't make close to some of you OT ballers.
That's even before his tax plan is implemented. It's going to basically affect everyone who has a job, period.
That's even before his tax plan is implemented. It's going to basically affect everyone who has a job, period.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
One thing Trump hasn't pounced on , Biden says he's bringing back the health insurance mandate.
The Supreme Court says it's a tax.
The Supreme Court says it's a tax.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 1:41 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Dear Kamala OBiden:
Stay the frick away from my Retirement Account and take the Bank of China with you.
Sincerely,
Wednesday, esq
Stay the frick away from my Retirement Account and take the Bank of China with you.
Sincerely,
Wednesday, esq
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:01 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
No tax burden is paid 100% by the intended target.
This is economics 101.
This is economics 101.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 2:05 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This will go way over the head of the average swing voter unfortunately.
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