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re: If local request unnecessary, why didn't Trump deploy National Guard earlier on J6?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:20 pm to joe68
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:20 pm to joe68
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Taco was in on it
"Taco" has to be one of the dumbest so-called "slurs" I've ever seen. But it's no surprise since it was coined by a man who can't even fricking grill hamburgers and hotdogs correctly.
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Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:27 pm to 4cubbies
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My take is that Donald Trump basically organized and endorsed J6
To be fair nobody has ever accused you of being rational nor smart. Just overly emotional so this is on brand. Carry on ma’am
This post was edited on 6/9/25 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:28 pm to CleverUserName
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Remember the thread where you claimed that reparations and more money to minorities was needed for equality and you ignored… multiple times… when asked to explain the disappearance of BLM’s billions in donations
You are calling BLM reparations. I never subscribed to BLM=reparations. I didn’t defend your claim because it’s nonsense. BLM isn’t and wasn’t reparations.
That also has nothing to do with immigration or this thread.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:40 pm to BugAC
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Because J6 was not an insurrection by any definition.
frick you for accusing me of TDS. I have never thought J6 was an insurrection. Nonetheless, the National Guard was deployed on J6...just too late to do anything.
It's not worth trying to explain to you, but in researching this, I think the real story of the National Guard on J6 was the insubordination and treason committed by members of Trump's Department of Defense.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:42 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:There’s this little thing called experience. He has it now.
If the President can use his own judgment without local input (which is obviously true, Eisenhower/Little Rock, etc), why didn't President Trump go ahead and deploy the Guard in advance for crowd control on J6? Why did he need anyone's request?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 1:49 pm to TenWheelsForJesus
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Your question essentially becomes, "Why did Trump learn from his past actions?"
I think that's a really good practical answer. Trump's subordinates at DOD who were involved with NG deployment on J6 should really be investigated.
This revolting description of J6 is STILL up on the National Guard's website:
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:21 pm to Loserman
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DC
But once the Capitol was breached it was over in a few hours so there was no need to Nationalize them since the rioters/protestors had already gone home.
And yet...they were nationalized and deployed on J6 (I think around 4:30 p.m.).
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:25 pm to TS1926
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Look at this retarded bastard conflating what's going on in LA with January 06.
I was just curious about why the difference in deploying the NG. I think the best answer is because Trump learned not to give Democrat officials the benefit of the doubt.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:27 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Do you even remotely understand the difference between Title 10 and Title 32 authorities?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:32 pm to Wolfhound45
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Do you even remotely understand the difference between Title 10 and Title 32 authorities?
No, that's why I asked. Everyone thinks a question is always a disguised point. Maybe I am naive, but I figured someone on the Board would actually know the answer and tell us rather than assuming I'm some TDS loon.
If easy, please explain the difference. Looking up now. Thanks.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 2:49 pm to Wolfhound45
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Do you even remotely understand the difference between Title 10 and Title 32 authorities?
Were the DC National Guard troops that DoD ordered to "the Capitol perimeter" on J6 ordered under Title 32?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:08 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:The more important question is “Who had responsibility to secure the Capitol?”
Were the DC National Guard troops that DoD ordered to "the Capitol perimeter" on J6 ordered under Title 32?
Once that individual is identified then you can walk through the request for National Guard troops (and the status they were in) and what measures they took to ensure the safety of the proceedings.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:16 pm to Wolfhound45
Bingo
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:21 pm to IvoryBillMatt
I think the natural initial tendency is, and should be, to defer to local authorities. There are rare cases where those local authorities prove themselves incapable, or in this case unwilling, to perform their duties.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:23 pm to Wolfhound45
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The more important question is “Who had responsibility to secure the Capitol?”
Once that individual is identified then you can walk through the request for National Guard troops (and the status they were in) and what measures they took to ensure the safety of the proceedings.
I don't doubt that Pelosi was responsible for there being inadequate security at the Capitol. You chided me for not knowing the difference between 10 and 32. I respect your knowledge. Why was that significant?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:27 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Because the differentiation between the Title they are in is based upon the mission requirements. And in order to determine the mission requirements then you would have to look at the mission commander.
Who was that person?
Who was that person?
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:32 pm to Wolfhound45
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Who was that person?
On J6, as far as I know it was the commanding general of the DC National Guard acting under the authority of the President and Secretary of Defense (from Wikipedia):
The President of the United States is the commander-in-chief of the District of Columbia National Guard. Command is exercised through the secretary of defense and the commanding general, Joint Force Headquarters (JFHQ), District of Columbia National Guard. In 1949, President Truman issued Executive Order No. 10030, of January 26, 1949, providing authority for the Secretary of Defense to delegate his command authority over the D.C. National Guard to: the secretary of the Army for the D.C. Army National Guard, and the secretary of the Air Force for the D.C. Air National Guard.[2] However, in 1969, President Nixon issued Executive Order 11485, revoking the previous authorities of EO 10030.[3] The Secretary of Defense then delegated command authority to the Secretary of the Army, operating through the singular Commanding General of the D.C. National Guard. In 2021, the Secretary of Defense amended the previous delegation of authority to the Secretary of the Army, to explicitly specify a single point of contact, the DoD Executive Secretary, for all requests from or for assistance by the D.C. National Guard. Further, the Secretary of Defense retained sole authority over such requests when actions within 48 hours are required, or if the anticipated request will include support of civilian law enforcement, such as “crowd control, traffic control, search, seizure, arrest, or temporary detention.”[4]
The D.C. National Guard is commanded by a major general with a brigadier general as the adjutant general. The mayor of the District of Columbia, the United States Marshal for the District of Columbia, or the National Capital Service director may request the commander-in-chief to aid them in suppressing insurrection and enforcement of the law; however, there is no chain of authority from the Mayor of the District of Columbia (or any other executive or legislative body organic to the District of Columbia) to the D.C. National Guard.[5]
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:47 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Who was the mission commander? Who had the mission to secure the Capitol and ensure the legislative proceedings were carried out? They would have participated (or had a senior representative) in all of the requisite planning leading up to January 6th.
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Security
As the chief law enforcement officer of the House, the sergeant at arms is responsible for security in the House wing of the United States Capitol, the House office buildings, and on adjacent grounds. Under the direction of the speaker of the House or other presiding officer, the sergeant at arms plays an integral role in maintaining order and decorum in the House chamber.
The sergeant at arms is also responsible for ensuring the safety and security of members of Congress, the congressional staff, visiting dignitaries, and tourists. Toward this end, the sergeant at arms works in concert with the Senate sergeant at arms and the Architect of the Capitol. These three officials, along with the chief of the Capitol Police ex officio, comprise the Capitol Police Board.
Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives
Security
As the chief law enforcement officer of the House, the sergeant at arms is responsible for security in the House wing of the United States Capitol, the House office buildings, and on adjacent grounds. Under the direction of the speaker of the House or other presiding officer, the sergeant at arms plays an integral role in maintaining order and decorum in the House chamber.
The sergeant at arms is also responsible for ensuring the safety and security of members of Congress, the congressional staff, visiting dignitaries, and tourists. Toward this end, the sergeant at arms works in concert with the Senate sergeant at arms and the Architect of the Capitol. These three officials, along with the chief of the Capitol Police ex officio, comprise the Capitol Police Board.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:57 pm to Wolfhound45
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Who was the mission commander?
I agree that J6 was an inside job orchestrated by Pelosi. I was just curious about the president's procedure to deploy the National Guard on J6 vs in California.
Posted on 6/9/25 at 3:57 pm to Deuces
I stopped at Kash
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