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re: If both political parties are on the side of Labor, what does this mean for capitalism?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The problem is government through fiscal policy is pricing the worker out of the global market. More government isnt going to make that better.
And your solution is to flood the market with cheap labor. Reducing the buying power of American citizens.
Didn't think of that, did you.
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Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:17 am to N.O. via West-Cal
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The big issue today seems to be one of attempting to have more manufacturing done here rather than abroad. This will prove a tough but to crack, but it’s not inherently anti-freedom.
It depends on the how.
Tariffs are not pro-freedom, for example.
Removing the min wage and overly burdensome OSHA regulations would be pro-freedom, for 2 examples.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Find a new line of work.
Just like workers when automation comes around.
Should we have protested the cotton gin? Printing Press?
These sociopaths told displaced workers to "learn to program". Now, they import programmers at slave wages.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:18 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Is that your only choice?
Tell us what his next move should be. You claim the thousands upon thousands of people being undercut on wages by cheap imports need to improve themselves/go do something else.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:19 am to BuckyCheese
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And your solution is to flood the market with cheap labor.
Thats not my solution, its a market reality.
Because Americans have priced themselves out of the market. If you want to fix it, you do it by innovating, not protecting.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:19 am to 50_Tiger
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At what cost.
Where is your red line?
What do you mean, specifically?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:20 am to BuckyCheese
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Tell us what his next move should be.
Find a more bulletproof profession.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:20 am to N.O. via West-Cal
OP is an overly simplistic premise. He’s thinking like a myopic Democrat again. At times, a government can be champions for both labor and capital in a capitalist economy, especially as the pendulum swings too far in either direction. Further, the health of one benefits the other in a balance that regulators can help maintain. A true capitalist understands that they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Find a more bulletproof profession.
Name some.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Find a more bulletproof profession.
Only so many Senate seats brah.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:21 am to SlowFlowPro
It means frick off to you
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:21 am to OBReb6
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Bucky is based on this topic. And just because he doesn’t suck Trump’s cock doesn’t mean he’s a cuck. People have a severely warped friend enemy distinction on this board.
And we agree again.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:21 am to Vacherie Saint
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. A true capitalist understands that they aren’t mutually exclusive.
Start a company and hire all American workers at high wages.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Because Americans have priced themselves out of the market. If you want to fix it, you do it by innovating, not protecting.
Tell us how Americans have priced themselves out of the market.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:23 am to BuckyCheese
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Name some.
Anything but tech. We've known for decades that Asians were passing up Americans academically.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:23 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Find a new line of work.
And when the little pygmies from pygmeland are imported? Find yet another line of work?
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:23 am to Vacherie Saint
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At times, a government can be champions for both labor and capital in a capitalist economy, especially as the pendulum swings too far in either direction.
Literal socialist propaganda, especially the "swings too far" language
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Further, the health of one benefits the other in a balance that regulators can help maintain.
More socialist mantras
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A true capitalist understands that they aren’t mutually exclusive.
A true capitalist knows socialism when he sees it.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:24 am to Jbird
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Only so many Senate seats brah.
No shite, right?
"Just go do something else!"
Meanwhile cheap workers are being imported for every job available, yet it is the American workers problem.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:24 am to BuckyCheese
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Tell us how Americans have priced themselves out of the market.
Its a global economy. China can sell better cars for 30% less.
We vote politicians in who continually destroy the dollar. Thats where you should start.
Instead of voting for protections, or for more spending, you should be voting for austerity.
Posted on 12/30/24 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I thought I was pretty explicit but sure let me form the question again.
At what lengths are you willing to go to, to ensure continuous GDP growth in perpetuity? What is the cost you are willing to take on to ensure this?
Are you willing to culturally change an entire society for it?
Are you willing to suppress wages for ~ 80% of the population?
Are you willing to deal with the social fallout from such unfettered will for the dollar?
Where do you draw the line and begin thinking about the people problem and not just the monetary one?
At what lengths are you willing to go to, to ensure continuous GDP growth in perpetuity? What is the cost you are willing to take on to ensure this?
Are you willing to culturally change an entire society for it?
Are you willing to suppress wages for ~ 80% of the population?
Are you willing to deal with the social fallout from such unfettered will for the dollar?
Where do you draw the line and begin thinking about the people problem and not just the monetary one?
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