re: If both political parties are on the side of Labor, what does this mean for capitalism?

“hyperbole” is putting it mildly… It was an angry, frustrated yelp.

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This is why societies historically move left over time.

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A part of it. The success creates stratification in society and that gap opens up for Leftism (hence the picture-quotes on page 1).

Freedom breeds inequality. Those who seem economics through the Leftist lens hate this. Those "left behind" want a nanny state to protect their former status.

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Do we ever get to a point where we have a Milei? I don’t think so.

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I got shite on routinely for bringing that up in Milei threads in the past when people tried to pretend Trump was anything like Milei

Even if we had a Milei, it will take time to unwind things and there will be bumps in the process so long-term it would be difficult to execute. This is another reason why MAGA/Trump relies so heavily on Leftist economics. They are trying to walk on both sides of the aisle (by promising to cut all the programs associated with the out group while redistributing to the in group).

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Didn't read a single word other than the title. You exposed yourself in this debate, making excuses to lob insults at people rather than arguments, while you pretend to be better than others. Also, neither party is on the side of labor. They are on the side of money.

Freedom breeds inequity; not inequality

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Companies rarely do anything because it’s the right thing for their workers.

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Companies look out for their best interest, so do workers.

The way this is supposed to work is when a worker no longer finds his employment meeting his needs, he develops skills to further his opportunities.

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Those "left behind" want a nanny state to protect their former status.

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I agree with this, but who isn’t going to want protections? I certainly don’t, but the lower end of the spectrum sure will (for obvious reasons) and the higher end of the spectrum will as well because they’re so good at using regulations and margin pressures to sink their competitors who can’t handle slim margins for very long (small and medium sized businesses). It seems like you’re now stuck with a coalition of upper middle class and middle class people with those type of values, namely most Hispanics.


I think one thing that you’re probably missing is id guess only maybe 1/3 of people vote mostly on economic issues. So much of the vote is based on social bullshite that people live for. In my opinion, you overestimate the populations ability to think rationally, when in reality, more people are worried about abortion and “trans rights” than anything else. They’ll be more happy to form a Starbucks union to “put it to the corporation” than to actually increase their economic wellbeing.

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It's always amusing when people who aren't in a group try to tell members of that group exactly what it represents.

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I can read.

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Anti-MAGA fools telling MAGA what MAGA means are as dumb as atheists trying to tell Christians what Christianity means.

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No. It would be like atheists reading what specific Christians say about their faith and accurately describing those beliefs.

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Where did you get the stupid idea that promoting the America worker only meant "the lowest end of the economic spectrum?" Y

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Tariffs, the wall, and almost all of the other rhetoric was focused on manufacturing jobs.

You know Trump was already President once and this board existed then, right? The ratio of manufacturing and illegal immigrant threads to H1B/Indian threads has probably been 500:1, if not more, until a week ago.

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You can't make America Great by selling out any group of workers.

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"Selling out" is artful use of language.

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Your entire argument is based on a deeply flawed premise.

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So you're saying MAGA isn't pro-Labor now? Explain

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"Oh no, people want their own citizens to be treated better than foreigners with no shared culture. This is the end of capitalism."

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Creating governmental policies to hurt producers for employers will severely affect capitalism. This Leftist economic bullshite has failed everywhere it's been tried. Rejecting this is why the US has remained so economically dominant over competitors who installed these same labor/wage protectionism.

Just because y'all don't want to admit you're being Leftists doesn't mean you get to use artful and colorful language and pretend that you're anti-Left. I know MAGA is based around esoteric and malleable definitions, but you can't run from this label anymore. Not after this week.

So, comrade, now that MAGA is full on Leftist, what does this do for capitalism in the US?

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I dont want protections.

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Me as well. But, we are in a significant minority in that perspective.