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re: If Abortion isn't murder then why do people get charged with murder/manslaughter when they
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:24 am to Antoninus
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:24 am to Antoninus
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"My body, my choice" refers to laws which force a woman to provide her body (involuntarily) as an incubator.
It’s not involuntary when Females know the voluntary act of sex can lead to pregnancy. Pregnancy is a consequence of sex. .
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 9:31 am to Tiger BTT
I thought this was a state's rights issue.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 9:34 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Well, no. It isn't.
Honestly, I'm not so sure any of you actually believe it's murder by any definition.
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DisplacedBuckeye
What is it then, if not murder? Please explain.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:04 am to antibarner
You cite a "Biblical" website as some sort of objective evaluation of abortion in Colonial America?
That takes balls.
That takes balls.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:34 am to Tiger BTT
quote:"Murder" is a question of law, not mathematics. Something constitutes "murder" not for some objective reason (as in mathematics), but RATHER because a lawmaking body DECLARES that it is a criminal act.quote:If 70 percent of the population doesn't think that 2 + 2 = 4 it doesn't make it so.
70% of Americans think women should have a right to abortion, and 70% do NOT believe it's "murder".
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:37 am to Antoninus
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"Murder" is a question of law, not mathematics. Something constitutes "murder" not for some objective reason (as in mathematics), but RATHER because a lawmaking body DECLARES that it is a criminal act.
If it's a matter of law where did the original law come from? Where is this law against murder documented with historical evidence?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:47 am to Bass Tiger
quote:Last time I checked, the Code of Hammurabi (which by almost a thousand years pre-dates the Old Testament you are about to cite) was the earliest DOCUMENTED example, though archeology is always finding new revelations. Legal prohibitions against "murder" doubtless pre-date that Code.quote:If it's a matter of law where did the original law come from? Where is this law against murder documented with historical evidence?
"Murder" is a question of law, not mathematics. Something constitutes "murder" not for some objective reason (as in mathematics), but RATHER because a lawmaking body DECLARES that it is a criminal act.
As an aside, the Code also included capital punishment for making false accusations of certain crimes.
This post was edited on 11/23/23 at 11:49 am
Posted on 11/23/23 at 11:49 am to Antoninus
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Last time I checked, the Code of Hammurabi (which by almost a thousand years pre-dates the Old Testament you are about to cite) was the earliest DOCUMENTED example, though archeology is always finding new revelations. Legal prohibitions against "murder" doubtless pre-date that Code.
Interesting.....is this definition of murder and the law against murder a religious origin?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:01 pm to Turbeauxdog
Hank & Displaced Cuckeye love to smell each other’s farts & compliment each other on how wonderful they smell
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:37 pm to Antoninus
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Something constitutes "murder" not for some objective reason (as in mathematics), but RATHER because a lawmaking body DECLARES that it is a criminal act.
So before there were laws, killing people was ok?
Posted on 11/23/23 at 5:00 pm to antibarner
Me too and never get an answer.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 5:37 pm to ThuperThumpin
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It does seem inconsistent for some states fetal homicide laws to be incommensurate with their abortion laws.
38 states have fetal homicide laws. That's over 75% of all states. Including California. Take a moment and wrap your head around that.
Homicide by definition is the killing of a person by another person.
On August 8, 2022, when uber liberal George Gascon announced to the press, “Today, we begin the process of holding accountable the person responsible for the deaths of six people, including a pregnant woman, and their families,” a reporter should have asked "So, Mr. Gascon, you're calling that woman's fetus a person? Is that what you're saying? Under California law, fetuses are people? People with a right to live protected by state law? Is that what you're saying Mr. Garcon?"
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:01 pm to gymnopedies13
A lot of aborted babies are wanted by the father.
Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:29 pm to ShinerHorns
You are right. The biggest mistake is debating whether it is murder. They have been smoked out. They know it is.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 6:33 am to L1C4
quote:for who?
abortion is voluntary
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:05 am to armtackledawg
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The biggest mistake is debating whether it is murder. They have been smoked out. They know it is.
Terminating a 1 minute old fertilized egg is not murder and anyone who equates it to ending a 40 week old pregnancy should never be taken seriously.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:12 am to taylork37
Taylor, you’re dangerously close to making sense.
I’ve also posed the question of whether a zygote is a baby.
I’ve also posed the question of whether a zygote is a baby.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:16 am to VOR
People just seem to lose basic common sense and reasoning when debating this topic. Both sides.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:29 am to taylork37
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Terminating a 1 minute old fertilized egg
Doesnt happen.
Lets stick to reality here.
Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:30 am to olddawginCa
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Terminating a 1 minute old fertilized egg
If its her body, her choice, the man should never be financially responsible.
Women (and their simps) want it both ways.
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