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TrueTiger
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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but, they seem to ensure that WHATEVER the results, they can be backwards explained to the original hypothesis.



Sounds rigged.


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olddawg26
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Well baw the scientists are the ones faking the data so that they can make more from government grants

Okay why are they the same ones coming up with the most effective ways to combat it?

MELT!! Hahahaha


cokebottleag
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
None of you have even put forth an effort. What experiments are conducted to test this hypothesis of AGW?

- An increase in carbon ppm in the upper atmosphere is driven by man made pollution (some good evidence to suggest this is true, so a theory)

- A slight increase in carbon will increase the surface temperature of the planet (theory).

- There are no unknown factors causing temperature changes (hypothesis, and a scientifically silly one at that)

- Current changes are unprecedented in pre-human eras (conjecture which is frankly very thin)

- An increase in the surface temperature of the planet will cause X (nothing but conjecture).
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olddawg26
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
You can do small scale models of this even outside a lab, which is done all the time. Adding co2 to the air in contained areas such as small boxes with other things being added including a control, increased the temperature every time. The theory is that it works on a big scale given the constant increase of temperature of earth per year. It’s hard to debate this while it’s snowing outside just as it’s hard to get anyone to take it seriously when it’s 108 degrees outside. Too much misinformation but to suggest there’s no experiments where they add greenhouse gasses to air in an enclosed area is nonsense. Venus’ climate is an extreme example of greenhouse gasses trapped in an atmosphere.
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cokebottleag
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
A small scale experiment in a controlled box vs a planet with plate techtonics, solar wind, and millions of other factors are wildly different, but I'll concede the point on carbon in a vacuum.

Three steps to go.


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SoulGlo
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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The temperature goes up, global warming.
The temperature goes down, global warming.
More rain: Global warming.
Less rain: Global warming.
Sea level goes up: global warming.
Sea level goes down: global warming


It is God's will.


kcon70
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Religion = faith = religion.

As far as global warming, I believe the hypothesis to be nulled.

No man made global warming


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The Maj
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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You can do small scale models of this even outside a lab, which is done all the time.


You do realize there are thousands of processes that can be successful in a small scale experiment but when applied on a larger scale can never be made to work because of all the variables right?



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McChowder
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
They painted themselves into a corner. The urgency of a looming disaster will need to be explained away as the years and decades roll by without any of the dire predictions coming to pass.

Warming pause: the oceans ate it.

Sea level rising: ocean floor is sinking LoL

.....and the list goes on. At some point, people stop taking any of it seriously.


L.A.
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Another question: If someone who questions the "consensus" is labeled a heretic, is it religion or science?


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ShortyRob
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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Warming pause: the oceans ate it.

Sea level rising: ocean floor is sinking LoL



And the reality is, it doesn't actually matter if the explanations are legit.

Every time you have to explain why your model didn't work, you're admitting that you're not modeling correctly.

Basically, you're saying, "my bad.....but NOW it's good!"


cokebottleag
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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And the reality is, it doesn't actually matter if the explanations are legit.

Every time you have to explain why your model didn't work, you're admitting that you're not modeling correctly.

Basically, you're saying, "my bad.....but NOW it's good!"


The main part is that it's such a complex system that we don't really, really understand what's going on. We have an idea, but nothing that is actually predictable.


Ace Midnight
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
It was never even an attempt at science - it is a not-so-subtle use of "scientists" as tools to justify taxing (controlling) energy, because taxing (controlling) energy is the same as taxing (controlling) virtually all human activity.


L.A.
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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It was never even an attempt at science - it is a not-so-subtle use of "scientists" as tools to justify taxing (controlling) energy, because taxing (controlling) energy is the same as taxing (controlling) virtually all human activity.
Succinctly and expertly put.



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CelticDog
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Just say complexity baffles you.


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ShortyRob
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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The main part is that it's such a complex system that we don't really, really understand what's going on.

Exactly.

They are engaging in an IMMENSE exercise in hubris and then, then the absolutely predictable occurs, they don't think, "frick, this is harder than we thought, perhaps we should be more careful with our certainty". Nope, never crosses their minds.

And think about this shite. They are STILL telling us, "whoops, our models were just off but now we're right".

But, they've been fricking pretty certain for DECADES!

These people were "certain" when they were working with models that had the computing power of your fricking fridge(actually, not that much even!)

And despite that certainty, additional computing power just keeps forcing them to reshuffle.


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bmy
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Whether you guys want to believe it or not.. this is how science works. It's unfortunately a political tool at the moment in regards to climate science though.

How many people attempted to solve the "what makes things fall back to earth" question before it was correctly answered? How do you get to an answer to a complex question without wading through the shite to get there? Do you think scientists rely on generational eureka moments?

What percentage of your tax dollars do you think actually goes towards climate science for that matter?


Wolfhound45
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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associated century global temperature anomaly that is observed and trending up


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Wolfhound45
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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olddawg26
I generally like reading your posts. But damn, that was a dumb response.


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C
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
There are more people alive today, with higher standards of living and living longer. The earth is much greener than it was 100, 500, or 2000 years ago. Humans have greater ability to adapt to any natural event than they ever have before. There is no global problem that needs solving with regard to climate change.


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