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cokebottleag
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If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
The temperature goes up, global warming.
The temperature goes down, global warming.
More rain: Global warming.
Less rain: Global warming.
Sea level goes up: global warming.
Sea level goes down: global warming.

Believers in Man Made global warming, explain: What would make you question the current hypothesis of carbon output causing destructive climate events? What test could be set up that you would be willing to say "Yes, if the results are X, AGW likely exists; if the results are Y, then it likely does not.

Let's step out of the dark ages of 'consensus' science, and into the scientific method.


Wtodd
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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is it science or religion?

Neither; it's a money making false narrative


GumboPot
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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Let's step out of the dark ages of 'consensus' science, and into the scientific method.





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Gaspergou202
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Faith=Religion


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AUstar
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ShortyRob
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion? by cokebottleag


I will say this.

REAL scientists test to see if they're wrong. And, prior to the test, they set parameters that are measurable that, if they occur, will be considered refutation of the hypothesis.

Climate scientists seem to do a lot of research(which is science) but, they seem to ensure that WHATEVER the results, they can be backwards explained to the original hypothesis.

Sure, they may revise things, but the core hypothesis appears literally unassailable.

Where are all of the articles that say, "if X happens, then back to the drawing board?"

It seems more like it's "If X happens, we need to explain why X happened in light of original hypothesis".


Rebel
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
I can’t figure out why greenhouse gasses aren’t escaping through the giant hole we created in the ozone layer by using hairspray and R22 refrigerant?


Salmon
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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What test could be set up that you would be willing to say "Yes, if the results are X, AGW likely exists; if the results are Y, then it likely does not.


It is pretty much impossible. You will never be able to prove 100% causation. And that is the problem. There are too many variables and drivers in this.

What you can do, is look at all the data and come to your own conclusions the best you can.

I think the biggest issue with global warming is the predictions. The mechanics of our global climate are entirely too complicated to predict with any certainty.


Dale51
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It is pretty much impossible. You will never be able to prove 100% causation.

Strawman.

That said--seeing that you brought it up-- what percentage do you think we're at presently?


Salmon
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Explain to me how that statement is a straw man


ELVIS U
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
Look, the globe is warming, it has been since the last ice age. How much did humans contribute? Unquantifiable. How much can humans control it? Unquantifiable.

That is very much junk science. I don't consider anything science that can't be quantified.


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Cruiserhog
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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cokebottleag


how bout you explain a rise of 105ppm CO2 in 55 years and the associated century global temperature anomaly that is observed and trending up

naturally that would take about 1 million years

explain please


Manzielathon
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
So your sample size is 100 years when you have 4.5 billion to pull from?


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starsandstripes
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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Let's step out of the dark ages of 'consensus' science, and into the scientific method.


it's not that simple for global warming, which allows the left to keep it alive.

Law - usually analytical and quantitative, allows correct prediction of things like who, what, when, where, why, for example gravitational attraction between two objects, the laws of gravitational attraction let us describe the 5Ws that take place, with precision and replication. The why part is in varying degrees of certainty though, depending on the context you are considering.

Theory - leads to the 5Ws but also deals with the How part and usually will more concretely deal with the why part too. For example, Einsteins relativity --> space / time / gravity relationships.

Climate change is unique because it's a qualitative law. We know it happens because it's been observed.

Laws are solid and rarely if ever change. Theories evolve.

The climate change narrative takes the qualitative certainty that it occurs and attaches the premise that man drives it as a theory. There's a giant leap from premise to theory that is rarely dealt with, which makes it more like a religion or cult.

Because there aren't competing alternative hypotheses for why climate has changed in the past (at least none that are allowed to be discussed by the climate cultists), the man made premise is allowed to endure because it's the only hypothesis they consider. So it's not an issue of falsifiability, because it becomes THE explanation by default and all that remains is to nail it down quantitatively. So the cult just tweaks the theory continually and thus they keep it alive.


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starsandstripes
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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Neither; it's a money making false narrative


"I’ve been involved in a number of cults both as a leader and a follower. You have more fun as a follower but you make more money as a leader."
- Creed Bratton


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Sody Cracker
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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how bout you explain a rise of 105ppm CO2 in 55 years and the associated century global temperature anomaly that is observed and trending up



Skip the middle man and explain it yourself. Or, did you simply copy/paste something your mom gave you?


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The Maj
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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Explain to me how that statement is a straw man


I agree with you, "straw man" would not be the proper description of what you posted... I would refer to it as a "hedge" or "hedging your bet"...

In any event, wanting to refer to something as settled science and asking the rest of the world to fall in lock step, when it is not even remotely settled and the goals posts keeps moving is beyond a stretch...


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tarzana
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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a rise of 105ppm CO2 in 55 years and the associated century global temperature anomaly that is observed and trending up

It can't be explained in the absence of human activity. The world is running a serious fever, and humankind is the cause, and...has the treatment, as well.


olddawg26
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I can’t figure out why greenhouse gasses aren’t escaping through the giant hole we created in the ozone layer by using hairspray and R22 refrigerant?


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cokebottleag
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re: If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, is it science or religion?
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It can't be explained in the absence of human activity. The world is running a serious fever, and humankind is the cause, and...has the treatment, as well.



Is it though? Computer models built with incomplete data (seabed sinking is the latest reminder of garbage in, garbage out) and previous temperature measurements 'adjusted' downward in arbitrary methods are all you have to rely on. When temperatures are observed for the following year which do not match the predictions, adjustments are made to the model to account for the incorrect prediction, followed by more changes the following year, and so on.

How does one obtain a positive result when the positive and negative are only determined after the test is concluded?


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