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re: ICE Agent Shot in California
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:32 pm to rocksteady
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:32 pm to rocksteady
quote:
Unless your premise is that this one particular agency should be infallible or bust? Is that you?
Of course not. By not investigating and reporting on the DHS shootings, the DHS leaves itself open to speculation that they have personnel problems.
Similarly, the lack of comment by DHS---a public entity---in this situation is going to lead to further speculation.
I don't know what's going on. I don't automatically trust government, no matter who is in charge. SOME transparency would be helpful.
I'm just surprised how many people on a mostly conservative site automatically trust government just because "our guys" appear to be running it.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:50 pm to IvoryBillMatt
You claim to be objective and don't trust government while parroting the message of the opposing factions political agenda in the face of insurmountable statistics to the contrary. Not being fully transparent doesn't change this fact. Being fully transparent and 100% of nearly zero cases being egregious misconduct also doesn't change this fact
Some transparency being helpful to your feels is irrelevant because you consistently keep going back to 'evidence of training and hiring' issues. In fact, you're proving the opposite. You may be the #1 fan of ICE hiring and training to be honest, because you're actively looking for it and can only produce a nearly zero amount of evidence.
It's mind blowing to witness, that's why no one can quit you. Get a little exhilarating ride on the retard roller coaster every time we engage
Some transparency being helpful to your feels is irrelevant because you consistently keep going back to 'evidence of training and hiring' issues. In fact, you're proving the opposite. You may be the #1 fan of ICE hiring and training to be honest, because you're actively looking for it and can only produce a nearly zero amount of evidence.
It's mind blowing to witness, that's why no one can quit you. Get a little exhilarating ride on the retard roller coaster every time we engage
Posted on 10/12/26 at 1:52 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Not at all. That’s the entire point. We do not have anywhere near the information required to make a determination.
You seem to have your mind made up. If it's ICE doing the shooting, no need to investigate. It's by definition a good shooting
If the guy was intoxicated and aggressive as intimated, then that changes the equation. If he was shown to have been driving through a neighborhood highly intoxicated, before randomly stopping, exiting his vehicle, and falling into subconsciousness in the yard, that would certainly have bearing. You're all for transparency. What were his BAL's? Why have those not been released?
If he was beating up the woman, and the 72-year-old man had no choice but to pull a gun and shoot him, then that changes the equation.
If on the other hand, the old man kicked the sleeping ICE agent, then started pushing him off the property after someone had slipped him a roofie at the bar and thrown him out in a subdivision, that would change the equation as well. Likewise, as an ICE agent, if he was armed and pulled a weapon, that would change the equation.
Otherwise, the fact that he was an ICE agent, has no bearing.
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:00 pm to rocksteady
quote:
Some transparency being helpful to your feels is irrelevant because you consistently keep going back to 'evidence of training and hiring' issues.
The public can only judge what it sees. Maybe DHS hires only the best and the brightest and trains them super well.
If that's true, why not release the findings of ANY DHS shooting investigation? What is the harn in releasing the bodycam footage from the Pretti homicide?
The "ongoing investigation" dodge is bullshite. The Feds released video of the White House Correspondents Dinner shooting within hours.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:03 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Lol sure thing.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:12 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:
The public can only judge what it sees.
YEP.
And what do you see bill?
Do you see 32 tracked shooting incidents against an estimated 500,000 total arrests over that same 15-to-18-month period anywhere? Do you SEE THIS ANYWHERE AT ALL? lol
Inadvertently transformed yourself into #1 ICE fan. Possibly the greatest training program in history. We should all aspire to be more like ICE hiring and training operations tbh. Let's go visit them together
Also, I've been giving you incorrect information. That is actually .0064% not .01%, my apologies
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:16 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:First, the Pretti shooting involved Border Patrol and CBP, not ICE. Second, ALL existing footage was released to the MN DA long ago. You'd have to address your question to her.
What is the harn in releasing the bodycam footage from the Pretti homicide?
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:18 pm to NC_Tigah
No way not the Dems in Minny holding his precious data back!
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:19 pm to NC_Tigah
This peckerhead is the queen of down voting lol
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:30 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Not at all. That’s the entire point. We do not have anywhere near the information required to make a determination.
There haven't been any obvious lies from the Government...such as Noem's lie that Pretti was "brandishing a gun" and "tried to inflict as much damage as possible."
Of course, something might come out to justify his alleged assault on the father and daughter in the Fresno case. At least there will be an investigation and, if warranted, a prosecution...maybe even of the shooter.
I have never seen you speculate on possible excuses regarding DHS shooting victims. For instance, Pretti had just been sprayed in the face and wasn't given any orders...or even advised that he was under arrest...what could he have done to "comply" with the agents who jumped him. His hands were extended. He didn't take any swings at the agents.
The point is you are interested in the facts and an investigation if an ICE agent is shot. If it's a DHS agent doing the shooting, you are not interested in the facts or an investigation. "It's a tough job, made tougher by crazy libs. You can't blame a DHS agent for shooting anyone."
This post was edited on 10/12/26 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:31 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Look at this fricking loon go!
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:44 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
First, the Pretti shooting involved Border Patrol and CBP, not ICE. Second, ALL existing footage was released to the MN DA long ago. You'd have to address your question to her.
Of course, that's why I said DHS...not ICE...regarding Pretti.
Yes, the Feds turned over what they said they had to Hennepin County in July. Hennepin County isn't responsible for the actions of the federal officers involved. DHS is. DHS asserted these were good shoots. Show us. Maybe they were.
FWIW, my completely wild guess is that the evidence gathered shows that the agents who shot Pretti heard Pretti's gun accidentally discharge after gray jacket removed it. It's the only explanation that makes sense to me as to why they panicked, and why Minnesota hasn't commented on the case. I'm not sure even a Minnesota jury would convict them of negligent homicide in that situation.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:46 pm to Jbird
quote:
This peckerhead is the queen of down voting lol
Me? Note how many of even your inane comments don't have downvotes when I'm in the thread.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:47 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Lol sure DV queen.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:49 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Heard something!
Oh my!
Panicked!
Oh my!
Panicked!
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:49 pm to Jbird
quote:
Lol sure DV queen.
Your need to make up things about me has reached the "weird" stage.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:50 pm to IvoryBillMatt
Of course mister start a thread about a drunk dude
Less than 4 posts in yapping about ICE training etc
Less than 4 posts in yapping about ICE training etc
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:52 pm to Jbird
quote:
Heard something!
Oh my!
Panicked!
Why do you think they shot him? Especially, WHEN they shot him?
Wasn't just "something." I am speculating that they heard a gun shot. You don't think investigation of that would be relevance?
Posted on 10/12/26 at 2:53 pm to IvoryBillMatt
quote:Ivory, you would do a whole lot better focusing on your own views rather than speculating on mine.
You can't blame a DHS agent for shooting anyone
But let me make something crystal clear for you.
In terms of law enforcement responsibility, the deaths of both of the MN people are heavily weighted toward MN Law enforcement, not Border Patrol and CBP, not ICE.
Waltz and the DSA fruitcake Minn. Mayor ordered state/local law enforcement to stand down from their responsibilities, i.e., ordered them to not do their jobs. CBP and ICE are neither trained nor equipped to do the things regular police are. But in the absence of the latter, they are forced to wear both hats as best they can. To the extent either of these anti-ICE extreme radicals might have had a chance, there is your blame factor.
It is a deliberate play by democrats to get people (civilians or federal law enforcement) injured, maimed, or killed as a means to gain sympathy from functional dullards. Sadly, it is obvious their approach works.
Posted on 10/12/26 at 3:02 pm to NC_Tigah
I've tried this approach previously with bill.
He will continue to run around with his eyes closed and refuse to open them for anything other than body cam footage of ICE agents huddling up and doing a "REMEMBER OUR TRAINING BOYS" chant and then going out to curb stomp civilians.
We live in billmatt's world where what you see is the same thing he sees, but it does not supersede that which is desires to see
He will continue to run around with his eyes closed and refuse to open them for anything other than body cam footage of ICE agents huddling up and doing a "REMEMBER OUR TRAINING BOYS" chant and then going out to curb stomp civilians.
We live in billmatt's world where what you see is the same thing he sees, but it does not supersede that which is desires to see
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