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re: I wholeheartedly disagree with the Trump administration on getting rid of Net Neutrality
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:55 pm to Centinel
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:55 pm to Centinel
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Who owns and maintains the power grid in your area?
I'll give you a tip that it isn't the government if that helps. Their ownership of those lines is about equivalent to the ISP that owns and maintains the cable lines in my area.
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Do you get a choice on who runs the lines to your home?
Nope. I also didn't get a choice about the one ISP to lay lines in my area either.
You are really going down with this ship aren't you.
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Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:57 pm to Tigerdev
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Wireless standards are different on a technical and policy level according to IEEE...
I'm not talking about wireless standards. I'm talking about the FCC standard for broadband.
Do wireless providers meet this standard? yes or no?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:58 pm to CorporateTiger
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Nope. I also didn't get a choice about the one ISP to lay lines in my area either.
You are really going down with this ship aren't you.
Is that the only way you can access the internet in your area? That one wired ISP?
Or might there be other ways to access the internet?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:59 pm to OMLandshark
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What do you disagree with Trump on? He can’t be 100%. You need to give me an example on policy.
Tariffs
Business subsides(in general)
Capital punishment
Stop and frisk
Imminent domain
Drug policy
Do you want more
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:59 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:59 pm to kingbob
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Many of us are libertarian thinkers, GOP operatives, and bomb throwers against the establishment.
Yet you are for more government regulation.
Odd.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:59 pm to CorporateTiger
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I'll give you a tip that it isn't the government if that helps. Their ownership of those lines is about equivalent to the ISP that owns and maintains the cable lines in my area.
Power companies are heavily regulated by state, local, and federal governments because they're considered "utilities". That means they have to:
A. serve the entire population in a given area
B. enact certain protections for consumers
and in exchange they get:
C. to run their lines on public right of ways
D. get to use imminent domain to put their equipment where needed when a right of way does not already exist
E. get a geographic monopoly
ISP's get all of the above advantages, but the consumer protections are nearly non-existent outside of Net Neutrality, which is being actively stripped by the current administration.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 10:59 pm to Centinel
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Is that the only way you can access the internet in your area? That one wired ISP?
I will divulge that there is only one option for broadband internet to my house, which is a lot less than my options for "grid" power. But trust me guys its totes not a monopoly.
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Or might there be other ways to access the internet?
I can also go stack a bunch of solar panels on my house and get power.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:00 pm to culsutiger
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love how you keep asking about the FCC standard for broadband.
The irony is just incredible.
You've yet to answer my question.
Do wireless providers meet the FCC standard for broadband internet?
It really is a simple yes or no question.
The fact you're unwilling to answer this says much.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to kingbob
Preaching to the fricking choir. Either way it's about time for me to go bed. I think have eviscerated this dude's argument enough for one night.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to CorporateTiger
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Well unlike power providers. I will divulge that there is only one option for broadband internet to my house. But trust me guys its totes not a monopoly.
Hughes Net doesn't work in your location? You don't have any cell service in your area?
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I can also go stack a bunch of solar panels on my house and get power.
And I can go set up a point to point link with my neighbor and pass packets.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to Centinel
If you limit the conversation to the mission and scope of the FCC (which yes, includes the spectrum as well as physical wires) then I have to ask what is your point? Why is this conversation limited to the scope of the FCC?
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:01 pm to CorporateTiger
TV is dead, cable companies know it. The internet is the new TV, and it's about to get more expensive. This will come to pass, and we'll all take it like good little servants.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:02 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:03 pm to CorporateTiger
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Preaching to the fricking choir. Either way it's about time for me to go bed. I think have eviscerated this dude's argument enough for one night.
This thread has been brutal.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:03 pm to Centinel
Remember when you told me I only had one option to buy grid power and that was absolutely necessary for the power grid to be considered a natural monopoly? Good times.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:03 pm to Centinel
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Yet you are for more government regulation.
Odd.
Do we need a court system to enforce contract law?
Do we need courts to protect private property rights?
Should there be laws against insider trading, bribery, and abuse of public power?
Do we need tort laws?
Do we need police to enforce the laws?
Do we need a military to protect us from foreign invasion?
Do we need roads?
Some government involvement is beneficial and downright necessary. Net Neutrality is one of those very few circumstances.
This post was edited on 11/21/17 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:04 pm to Centinel
Ehhh... You are fairly hyper partisan and i cant recall a single time you have agreed with a liberal poster on anything
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:04 pm to kingbob
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A. serve the entire population in a given area
ISPs have to do this?
Then why the frick don't I have gig fiber at my house?
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C. to run their lines on public right of ways
This is negotiated at the state and local level. What does this have to do with Title II and NN?
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D. get to use imminent domain to put their equipment where needed when a right of way does not already exist
Same as above.
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E. get a geographic monopoly
No ISP has a geographic monopoly in the lower 48. Period.
Posted on 11/21/17 at 11:04 pm to Centinel
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This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 11:51 pm
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