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re: I want to hear from the Agnostics. What will the secular world eventually evolve into?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:24 am to Bestbank Tiger
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:24 am to Bestbank Tiger
quote:I'm skeptical of this claim. Current estimates are about 1 in 200 (which I agree is sickening), but Europe was nearly entirely feudal at one point.
There are more slaves in the world today than at any time in the past.
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Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:24 am to Revelator
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Do you think more fatherless homes is a plus to society or a detriment?
Do you think our current cancel environment where a person can lose his livelihood for a differing opinion is a plus or detriment to society?
Do you think people getting paid to not work is a plus or detriment to society?
Do you think a world where social media influencers and pop stars are a greater catalyst on behaviors than a moral code, is a plus or a detriment to society?
None of these things are inherently anti-Christian. I consider myself agnostic and think all of the things you mentioned are a net detriment.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:25 am to AggieHank86
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Again, if you want to argue that the Abrahamic God hardwired the "golden rule" into every human society since the dawn of time, I cannot argue with you. That would be a matter of belief and philosophy that is simply not subject to factual debate.
There’s more to our mores than the Golden Rule. Western Civilization has obvious points of commonality with other moral systems. That doesn’t mean we didn’t base our civilization on Christian thought. But you’re pretty dumb about a lot of things. I didn’t expect anything out of this. Just pointing out that you’re wrong.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:26 am to AggieHank86
And thanks for the one relevant correction. That should have been 400 AD.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:30 am to RiverCityTider
quote:I don't think this is accurate. The 3 Kingdoms war(s) in China had that many alone - and that was almost 2000 years ago.
almost four times the almost 38,500,000 battle-dead fron all century's international and civil wars.
quote:You'll get no argument from me defending PolPot/Stalin/et al. But it's inaccurate, IMO, to assert they were "in the name of atheism". I've long argued that communism itself is a religion.
That's from a period ended 2o years ago, and a vast majority of those deaths may be attributable to anti-religion states and the wars and genocides they instigated.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:32 am to omarlittle
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So what about the Puritans and drowning women they thought were witches? They were Christians, from whom all of the world's morality is supposedly based upon.
Provide an example of Puritans drowning women. You can’t.
Now, if you are referring to the so-called Salem Witch Trials, I would reply that those women were charged with a crime under the civil authority of The Colony of Massachusetts Bay. As such, they received a trial under the legal procedures of the time according to English Common law.
I would also ask you to tell me why you consider such a practice of drowning women for the alleged crime of witchcraft or burning widows wrong?
This post was edited on 3/11/21 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:33 am to AggieHank86
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Within a given system of morals, obviously the two are viewed rather differently.
You can’t have it both ways. Viewed differently according to whom and under whose higher authority? I’m simply following the argument that morality is subjective to its logical conclusion.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:36 am to the808bass
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It’s not hard to believe people will do this. What’s the reason to live a “decent” life? And who defines what is decent?
I have no idea. It's all individual interpretation of many inputs. Just like Christianity. It's all subjective. Everyone decides what levels of application of the morals/rules/duties/beliefs of their respective religion that they want to employ into their lives. That's why there are so many different sects of Christianity; don't like how this part of the bible is interpreted? let's start a new religion. And every individual within a specified sect will have different interpretations and beliefs therein.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:44 am to omarlittle
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I have no idea.
Yup. That’s the honest answer.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:47 am to RiverCityTider
I believe that you don’t need religion in order to be a good person
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:48 am to SEC. 593
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Christianity and its impact has been but a blip in human history, but most of it has seen the same diabolical nature.
There have been religious wars, persecutions and inquisitions, but Marxism takes the grand prize for ugly on that historical score and religious wars ended a few hundred years ago.
Christian culture also gave us the Renaissance and the early industrial revolution that ultimately spawned our massive leap in technology. It also gave us our democratic republic when Europe was still a bunch of feudalistic states.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:48 am to the808bass
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Yup. That’s the honest answer.
So who, in your opinion, decides what is decent?
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:52 am to omarlittle
Anyone can decide what is decent for themselves as an individual.
The problem comes when you try to make it normative for anyone else. An atheist has little means of enforcing that.
And while there are many sects of Christianity, the standard mores of don’t lie, murder, have envy, steal etc. are pretty uniform.
The problem comes when you try to make it normative for anyone else. An atheist has little means of enforcing that.
And while there are many sects of Christianity, the standard mores of don’t lie, murder, have envy, steal etc. are pretty uniform.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:53 am to Big Scrub TX
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Current estimates are about 1 in 200 (which I agree is sickening), but Europe was nearly entirely feudal at one point.
Which is why "is slavery immoral" is a pointless question. "Slavery" has taken on countless forms throughout history and will continue to do so. It exists on a continuum, not as a point definition.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:54 am to VolInBavaria
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I believe that you don’t need religion in order to be a good person
That’s ok, because even with Christianity, the Bible says there are no good people !
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:54 am to the808bass
All I'm saying is those mores aren't exclusive to Christianity, or any other religion/non-religion, for that matter.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:55 am to Flats
By what standards and in what world was slavery decided to be “immoral”? And also, ask yourself where and under what standards is it still practiced today.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:57 am to omarlittle
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All I'm saying is those mores aren't exclusive to Christianity, or any other religion/non-religion, for that matter.
Sure. But claiming they sprang forth from evolutionary principles is a harder sell (though not impossible). Most people haven’t thought that far ahead and think morals just kinda exist because they do.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:58 am to au4you
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But you can’t ignore the tragedies committed by “God’s will.”
He never implied that. He said humanity drives violence, not God. Evil people using God's name to commit violence isn't on God. It's on them.
It's not your fault I hurt someone and said I did it because of something you once said.
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:59 am to VolInBavaria
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I believe that you don’t need religion in order to be a good person
You need religion (or something we'd commonly describe as supernatural) for the word "good" to have any real meaning.
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