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re: I voted for Trump, BUT

Posted on 7/16/25 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 4:27 pm to
Yeah I’m gonna be taking issue with at least one or two of those, unless we’re way off on our understanding of the term “hardcore.”

And anyway, I thought you said many. And don’t take this as merely trying to be a jerk or argue for no good reason. I’m not a fan of that sorta stuff.
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 4:34 pm to
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And anyway, I thought you said many
There are. Just read the threads. Im not going through every one, there are dozens every day. BTW, Im not worked up about the issue because I know nobody really knows what's what.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:14 pm to
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There are. Just read the threads. Im not going through every one, there are dozens every day. BTW, Im not worked up about the issue because I know nobody really knows what's what.

We’re just seeing vastly different things. When you say “long time, hardcore supporters,” I envision those who are targeted with those washed up, tired old insults like “cultist,” to specify one of many examples. I certainly don’t see those to whom you’ve already referred in that way. To the best of my recollection, at least one but I think more than one of them, have joined in on situations very similar to this, yet back to indicating “hardcore” support very shortly thereafter, more than just once.

And also, when you say you’re not worked up about it because you don’t know what’s what, I couldn’t agree more and find that thought process to be pretty damn rational and logical. But I must ask, if you and I are so convinced that that’s the most rational and logical approach to it (at least at this stage), then wouldn’t it follow that all these others who have basically jumped to their bottom line conclusions about this and about Trump, wouldn’t it mean that they’re currently irrational and illogical, since they don’t know what’s what yet jumped to bottom line conclusions anyway?
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:28 pm to
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, yet back to indicating “hardcore” support very shortly thereafter, more than just once
Im not saying they will dump him from here on, just that they are very disappointed in him.

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wouldn’t it follow that all these others who have basically jumped to their bottom line conclusions about this and about Trump, wouldn’t it mean that they’re currently irrational and illogical, since they don’t know what’s what yet jumped to bottom line conclusions anyway
They've been invested in the pending comeuppance from the list or files or whatever exists. They may be emoting over it, but Trump and others were stringing them along with teasers.
Posted by hansenthered1
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:31 pm to
Epstein boys really think they are MAGA....they don't understand MAGA is a mainstream populist movement not some Q cult rebranded.
Posted by hansenthered1
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:35 pm to
This how Trump has always been. 2 steps forward and then he hoist himself with his own petard, 1 step back.

Trump is right about the Epstein freaks who demand a list. He knows the room better than most. Most Americans don't care a rip.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:40 pm to
Because the media turned the other way and didn’t criticize mumble brain Joe. I guarantee it affected more real people than anything Epstein ever did.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:49 pm to
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mainstream populist movement
no, you are a lia,r these are the real conservatives!!!!!


how dare you call them populists
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:51 pm to
They’re lying when they say you’re wrong about their personal existence!! I’m right about them on a personal level, they’re wrong - end of story.

Posted by goatmilker
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 5:55 pm to
My only issue with your post is that it tries to corner all dissent into panican status.
Posted by soonerinlOUisiana
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 8:48 pm to
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i wouldn't have voted for Trump had he been literally the only person running, so the Epstein revelations woud not have had not that much impact on how i felt about him before that anyway..


Which is right in line with the phony “3 times, but…” crowd. Thanks for making my point. (At least I think so, since your command of the English language is quite poor).
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 10:40 pm to
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Because the media turned the other way and didn’t criticize mumble brain Joe. I guarantee it affected more real people than anything Epstein ever did.

Biden was raked over the coals for that. Should we still be discussing it in 2025?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 4:05 am to
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Biden was raked over the coals for that.


Was he though?
Who lost their job over it?
Dude actually thinks he did a good job.
His cohorts in the media praised the largest evac (leaving allies and gear behind)…
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:22 am to
Okay. Should we still be discussing it in 2025?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 10:42 am to
We should never stop talking about it.

And I noticed you skipped all over what I said, as if it was something trivial.

It isn’t.
This post was edited on 7/17/25 at 10:44 am
Posted by sorantable
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 11:59 am to
It’s not trivial, and you’re still discussing it in 2025. I still don’t know what your point is. Can both issues not be a topic of discussion, or do we have to choose one?
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 12:44 pm to
1. Who, IYO is deserving of being the arbiter of what is/isn’t worthy of being discussed?

Epstein was trafficking long before Aug. 2021 aka the Kabul pullout.

I don’t get YOUR point, where you think the more recent events in Kabul (the Abby Gate attack- 181 dead, 13 US servicemen & women) should be glossed over.

But…

Epstein victimized 36 girls (as young as 14), got caught twice, leading to his eventual murder.

Posted by sorantable
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 1:20 pm to
Like it or not, Kabul is old news. Epstein isn’t.

This is just basic cultural observation. I’m not saying the mess Biden left in Kabul should be glossed over. I’m just saying it has been.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
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Member since Aug 2021
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Posted on 7/17/25 at 1:40 pm to
Think about it. It has been because the media doesn’t want to make Biden look bad. As for the Epstein stuff, it’s very curious that they as a group wanted to be ignored as well. Yes, some Republicans do as well, even Trump, but I think Kabul is on the global stage a far bigger issue. Mainly because of how inept it makes our government & military appear.

But play into the media’s game of jingly shiny keys and just keep up with the Epstein nonsense.
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