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Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:24 am
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7730 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:24 am
When they think Bernie Sanders and socialism is the answer. What we’ve been doing over the last century has failed. But not because of capitalism, it’s because we’ve turned more towards Keynesianism and away from the free market. There is wealth inequality, but only because the Federal Reserve has destroyed the dollar and shrunk the middle class as a result. People are looking for change, and rightfully so. But doubling or even tripling down on what we’ve been doing isn’t going to work. It would continue to inflate the money supply and cripple economic growth. And that’s what we’d get with Bernie. As conservatives, we must do a better job of advocating for a true free market and capitalism, not crony capitalism and neoconservatism, like prominent Republicans have done since Johnson.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9098 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:29 am to
The biggest hurdle, imho, is government run schools.

They are intentionally dumbing down society into believing government is the source of all that is good and right in the world.

There is some hope, though. I was one of those totally brainwashed Leftists into my mid 20s, and now I'm a borderline ancap.
Posted by Ham Solo
Member since Apr 2015
7729 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:37 am to
The Dems biggest mistake is targeting the Walmart cashier types.

The argument that a job meant for teenagers deserves a "living wage" is absurd.

If they were smart they would target the vanashing and underpaid middle class.

#1 It is a real issue
#2 The middle class type vote, unlike the cashier types.

I am conservative all the way, but my biggest concern is the lack of action for middle class employment.

Hop on indeed or zip recruiter and look at how many jobs there are that require a 4 year degree and require a ridiculous amount of skill, yet pay 30k.

Thankfully the Dems don't get this and shoot for the bottom of the barrel, which are people that don't vote.

If there is one area I could fix in the country it would be the middle class, and I think trade schools would play a huge part in making this happen.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 1:42 am
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7730 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:40 am to
Ever since FDR, we’ve been conditioned to believe that government programs work. And that’s the problem. It reflects what is currently conventional wisdom, but it also reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of economic and monetary policy. In
1921, we had a depression that lasted 6 months because government didn’t intervene. The Great Depression lasted about a decade because there was more government. Hoover and FDR built up the debt and fought the deflation of the money supply and liquidation of the debt, increased taxes, and promoted tariffs. It wasn’t until World War II that people got jobs either in the military or in manufacturing military equipment. It wasn’t until Eisenhower when we had significant spending cuts and tax cuts that we saw true economic growth. But people chose to believe the New Deal caused the economic growth. And along with the military industrial complex and the artificiality of the Federal Reserve’s actions, government spending is what has caused our problems. We’ve been slowly turning towards socialism since the 1930s and people don’t understand that that’s why we have the problems we have. Liberty and the constitution is the answer, not the government.
Posted by stuntman
Florida
Member since Jan 2013
9098 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:52 am to
Yep.

It's frigging crazy that people look at FDR as some kind of great economic president when we were in the worst depression in history for his entire time in office.

Only explanation is the total brainwashing of society.

Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7730 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:58 am to
And the same people who praise FDR and criticize Trump for family separation policies conveniently forget that there were Japanese internment camps during FDR’s tenure. Let’s be honest, FDR tore up the constitution and our country has been in decline ever since. Every President since has followed suit.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 1:59 am to
quote:

Ever since FDR, we’ve been conditioned to believe that government programs work. And that’s the problem. It reflects what is currently conventional wisdom, but it also reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of economic and monetary policy. In
1921, we had a depression that lasted 6 months because government didn’t intervene. The Great Depression lasted about a decade because there was more government. Hoover and FDR built up the debt and fought the deflation of the money supply and liquidation of the debt, increased taxes, and promoted tariffs. It wasn’t until World War II that people got jobs either in the military or in manufacturing military equipment. It wasn’t until Eisenhower when we had significant spending cuts and tax cuts that we saw true economic growth. But people chose to believe the New Deal caused the economic growth. And along with the military industrial complex and the artificiality of the Federal Reserve’s actions, government spending is what has caused our problems. We’ve been slowly turning towards socialism since the 1930s and people don’t understand that that’s why we have the problems we have. Liberty and the constitution is the answer, not the government.





Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34729 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 2:42 am to
The US has slowly been marching towards socialism for a long time now. Now we are finally about to jump all in. Scary times ahead for sure
Posted by timdonaghyswhistle
Member since Jul 2018
16287 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:24 am to
Capitalism is a hard sell because:

1) People don't like being told life isn't fair.

2) People don't like being accountable for themselves.

3) People are naturally envious of what others have instead of being appreciative of what they have.

Socialism negates all of that, but they don't tell you what the price is.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12176 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 5:39 am to
Why do people think things are so bad?

My parents had more than my grandparents, and my sister and I both have more than my parents, and my kids are setting up to do better than myself.

Life in America is pretty good.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
7730 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:21 am to
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Why do people think things are so bad?


Because we’re literally about to be completely bankrupt as a country
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
15401 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 7:52 am to
I think it is much simpler.

Many people in this country fail. If you do 3 things you don’t live in poverty as a rule. Finish high school, get a job, don’t have kids out of wedlock.

All three rest on one foundation. Personal responsibility.

People have been told now for decades that anything bad that happens isn’t their fault, and it wasn’t so bad until the media began portraying everyone as a victim.

Now people believe it. Which is why the promise of payment for your victim hood is so attractive to many.

We should be seeing the failure of Venezuela every day, but unless you go looking for it you won’t find it often.

Which is a shame because that’s exactly where the liberal bastions of this country are headed, and determined to drag the rest there with them.
Posted by Deuces
The bottom
Member since Nov 2011
12375 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 8:02 am to
What they don’t care is, Bernie’s a fraud. He has multiple cars, 3 houses, and he made a million dollars in income last year. When Trump’s 2005 tax returns leaked, Bernie paid 10% less taxes than he did. He flies around the country on private jets with gourmet food, yet he’s a climate change activist.

He’s the definition of elitism in a socialist regime. They live lavish while everyone else starves. Screw these little pricks who’re trying to push this upon us.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 8:03 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34909 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 8:28 am to
The Founders feared a Central Bank more than they did a "standing army", because the Bank/*Government* could print money and buy the/an 'army'. Our Government has sneaked around the 'Central Bank' definition by creating a supposedly private (money creating) Entity...the Fed.

I've heard the theory that a Bitcoin type, crypto currency is the put control of money directly into the people's hands...but I think that given the power of Government, the *Government* would take over (using moral arguments) any Crypto that undermined their power.

Power corrupts. Likely the logical basis for the Fermi Paradox and "The Great Filter", and why at some point...Humanity offs itself.

Fascinating. And outside of Faith...unbearably calamitous and infinitely saddening...at least for them who see the Big Picture. I.e., that the Universe is Feeling (Love) based.

Posted by lionward2014
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2015
11706 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 8:37 am to
quote:

My parents had more than my grandparents, and my sister and I both have more than my parents, and my kids are setting up to do better than myself.


The idea of each generation getting to a better place than the previous one was part of the American Dream for a long time. Somewhere around the New Deal that idea started to diminish from the poverty created by the Great Depression, and by time LBJ pushed through his policies it completely eroded.

They have a large section of Americans so dependent on welfare they know no other way to live. They see their parent on welfare and everyone else around them on welfare and think it’s normal. There is no motivation to push the next generation one step further in life.
Posted by funnystuff
Member since Nov 2012
8330 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:01 am to
Check out “The Future of Capitalism” by Paul Collier.


Disclaimer: his proposed solutions probably don’t line up with yours, so I’m not recommending it because it will be something you completely agree with. But his argument for the rise of the extreme left and his rebuke of their solutions will be something that you can likely empathize with. Good book as it pertains to identifying the economic issues of the day, even if some of his proposals for the future are tenuous.
This post was edited on 2/23/19 at 10:19 am
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34909 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:02 am to
quote:

The idea of each generation getting to a better place than the previous one was part of the American Dream for a long time. Somewhere around the New Deal that idea started to diminish from the poverty created by the Great Depression, and by time LBJ pushed through his policies it completely eroded. They have a large section of Americans so dependent on welfare they know no other way to live. They see their parent on welfare and everyone else around them on welfare and think it’s normal. There is no motivation to push the next generation one step further in life.


Read "The Fourth Turning", lw; lays it all out as being cyclical. As ironic as it is...strength creates weakness, unless strength is wisely applied.
Posted by Geauxboy
NW Arkansas
Member since Oct 2006
4856 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:06 am to
quote:

The Dems biggest mistake is targeting the Walmart cashier types.

The argument that a job meant for teenagers deserves a "living wage" is absurd.

If they were smart they would target the vanashing and underpaid middle class.

#1 It is a real issue
#2 The middle class type vote, unlike the cashier types.


Bingo
Posted by TuDog
Boston
Member since Jun 2005
4154 posts
Posted on 2/23/19 at 9:07 am to
It's been a 'rigged' game in more ways than one. Hopefully real change is coming.
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