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re: I thought Republicans wanted less government in private business?

Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37617 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:18 pm to
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Google is publicly traded.


And holy shite at the upvotes.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:19 pm to
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Given his approval rating among Republicans that is a shrinking distinction.


The Republican Party isn't exactly popular here.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:21 pm to
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Are you all really ok with Trump threatening to regulate a private business just because he is unhappy about his Google searches? Talk about the ultimate snowflake meltdown


1- I am ok with them not getting the protections they operate under. They are publishers now.

2- That opens them to law suits for stepping on peoples rights.

3- They are a monopoly. LINK

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Example is what Google did to Warner. Google asked Warner if they could scrape his data and credit him. Warner declined, but Google did it anyway. The overall result was devastating:

In February 2016, Google started displaying a Featured Snippet for each of the 25,000 celebrities in the CelebrityNetWorth database, Warner said. He knew this because he added a few fake listings for friends who were not celebrities to see if they would pop up as featured answers, and they did. "Our traffic immediately crumbled," Warner said. "Comparing January 2016 (a full month where they had not yet scraped our content) to January 2017, our traffic is down 65 percent." Warner said he had to lay off half his staff.




Posted by AUbused
Member since Dec 2013
7827 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:22 pm to
Exactly. It just so happens that by “support Trump” ya’ll generally mean swallow his nutz.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:22 pm to
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The Republican Party isn't exactly popular here


The globalist GOP is not liked. YEP!

Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
18126 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:24 pm to
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I don't want full government regulation of Google. I'd be fine with across-the-board legislation


So you don't want to regulate one company, you want to regulate all companies?

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suppress the free dissemination of speech.


Where is this a right? Not in the Constitution. Go step up on a stump a disseminate all you want to. Don't expect a private company to be forced to let you use their property to do that.

How is this even an issue?

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297946 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:25 pm to
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The globalist GOP is not liked. YEP!


What happens when Trump is gone? I'm very curious to see how people who love Trump will react

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:26 pm to
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the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are invited in.


So if the users of google/facebook agree to a set of terms/conditions, and those t/c stipulate they can post/censor whatever they want, I can imagine what side the court will land on.
Posted by Smeg
Member since Aug 2018
14528 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:27 pm to
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Why wouldn't that populate first from searches?


I've personally watched Google manipulate search results over time.

A few years ago I could search "Police Shootings Unarmed Blacks" - and on the FIRST PAGE there was an actual study, with statistics, that showed unarmed blacks WERE NOT being disproportionately killed by police at all.

BUT if you search those key words today, your top hits are liberal editorials like:
"There are huge racial disparities in how US police use force." - VOX
"Police killings have harmed mental health in black communities" - NY Times
"Tulsa officer acquitted of killing unarmed black man" - Newsweek
"Police brutality, misconduct, and shootings" - NY Times
"Why do US police keep killing unarmed black men" - BBC
"Police shootings of unarmed black men are a Canadian problem too" - CBC
"Video shows Sacremento police shooting unarmed black man" - NPR
"Black Americans shot dead by police are twice as likely to be unarmed." - Independent
"Police killings hit people of color hardest, study finds." - NBC

This goes on, several pages deep.
And I'm confident this is intentional.
Google wants to push this narrative that innocent, unarmed blacks are being slaughtered by police - even though that isn't what the data suggests.
These search results are meant to bias someone who is looking up information. To overwhelm them with so many headlines pushing the same agenda, they will begin to believe it.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 2:28 pm
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57264 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:28 pm to
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Exactly. It just so happens that by “support Trump” ya’ll generally mean swallow his nutz.


That’s a pretty lazy argument. I am not supporting trump in this very thread. You are a caricature and oddly enough are doing exactly what you criticize. Do better.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:29 pm to
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They are a monopoly.


Not anymore than any ISP. Net Neutrality seems to be working for them, given our free market system.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138168 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:29 pm to
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I don't want full government regulation of Google. I'd be fine with across-the-board legislation that does not allow internet search engine and social media websites and platforms to suppress the free dissemination of speech. Doesn't have to be about Google specifically.


So you think the government would only use a little bit of power over these companies? Come on.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57264 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:30 pm to
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So if the users of google/facebook agree to a set of terms/conditions, and those t/c stipulate they can post/censor whatever they want, I can imagine what side the court will land on.


I don’t think that is the standard, either. That is a contracts question, not a monopoly question.

I don’t think there is a monopoly. However, it certainly isn’t as clear as you are trying to make it. It for sure wasn’t the standard you listed in your initial post.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55395 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:34 pm to
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Where is this a right? Not in the Constitution. Go step up on a stump a disseminate all you want to. Don't expect a private company to be forced to let you use their property to do that.


Interesting....


So I purchase a "ghost town". Many listed here There are some people that still live in or around it.

Because I own the land, I decide to divert all water to my property, which surrounds Mrs Jones' home. It's my land and she should dig her own well.

Not only that, I build a big fence around my land. It traps her in.... but OH WELL.... It's my land. There are ways she can get out. Buy a Helicopter. Learn to fly. Build Some wings.... Better have a food supply drop lined up weekly too.

She might die, but it doesn't matter. It's my land, my mineral rights...etc etc etc. Now, if she is willing to do WHAT I DEMAND of her, then I MAY allow the water in and her a small road out. If she decides to bitch about things... I' will just cut her off.... again.


This is what you are saying. Google controls 85%. They are a monopoly.


Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21700 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:34 pm to
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However, it certainly isn’t as clear as you are trying to make it. It for sure wasn’t the standard you listed in your initial post.


My initial post wss a response to a 4chan screenshot.

My issue is the "right" for a private citizen to use company resources for free speech.

No different than the baker being forced bake gay wedding cakes in my eyes.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50497 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:34 pm to
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They are a monopoly.


Nope
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49134 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:35 pm to
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I don't want full government regulation of Google. I'd be fine with across-the-board legislation that does not allow internet search engine and social media websites and platforms to suppress the free dissemination of speech.


So you want the government to infringe on the Constitutional rights of search engine companies to prevent them from fictiously infringing upon nonexistent rights?
Posted by MoroccoMole
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2015
334 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:35 pm to
www.duckduckgo.com DuckDuckGo
www.bing.com Bing
www.dogpile.com Dogpile

These are just 3 examples of other search engines you are free to use. You are choosing to use Google. That's not a monopoly. I just used Google to find other search engines.
This post was edited on 8/28/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2939 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:35 pm to
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I don't want full government regulation of Google. I'd be fine with across-the-board legislation that does not allow internet search engine and social media websites and platforms to suppress the free dissemination of speech. Doesn't have to be about Google specifically.


They all lobbied for protection against being liable for free speech on their platforms yet have turned around and have begun to censor the speech that they lobbied for protection using the guise of neutrality.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57264 posts
Posted on 8/28/18 at 2:37 pm to
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They all lobbied for protection against being liable for free speech on their platforms yet have turned around and have begun to censor the speech that they lobbied for protection using the guise of neutrality.


This is what their biggest concern should be. Censor all you want...but when something goes uncensored and leads to actual damages....enjoy the suits. The “free speech” defense will be tough to use at that point.
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