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I Still Can't Get Past This
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:19 pm
Leftists are saying everywhere I look that the president "must follow a procedure" to declassify documents. I have asked several of them to show me the procedure and it's always crickets. They don't know the procedure or even if there is one. In truth, they are just parroting CNN.
Others agree the president has such powers, but insist that one man should not have the power to declassify anything he wants. But I ask, if we don't give it to the president, then WHO do we give this power to? Some unelected person at the Pentagon? We'd end up in a situation where the president has to ASK people that WORK FOR HIM whether he can declassify something. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. "Hey I am your boss, but can I pretty please have access to this?" Even worse, the people with the power would be unelected and totally unaccountable. It would be a shite situation.
And if we give that power to Congress, that would be a joke as well. It would take them 45 years to declassify one document and none of them would agree on anything ever.
So, I like the fact that the elected president has the ability to say "this shite is declassified as of now." I want the top elected official in the country to have that power. Could it backfire with someone like Hillary? Of course, but it's better than the alternatives.
Others agree the president has such powers, but insist that one man should not have the power to declassify anything he wants. But I ask, if we don't give it to the president, then WHO do we give this power to? Some unelected person at the Pentagon? We'd end up in a situation where the president has to ASK people that WORK FOR HIM whether he can declassify something. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. "Hey I am your boss, but can I pretty please have access to this?" Even worse, the people with the power would be unelected and totally unaccountable. It would be a shite situation.
And if we give that power to Congress, that would be a joke as well. It would take them 45 years to declassify one document and none of them would agree on anything ever.
So, I like the fact that the elected president has the ability to say "this shite is declassified as of now." I want the top elected official in the country to have that power. Could it backfire with someone like Hillary? Of course, but it's better than the alternatives.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 11:20 pm
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Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:23 pm to AUstar
Yeah, ask a liberal to back up their mouth with ANYTHING and all you get is a blank stare and silence. Either that or they mindlessly start ranting about how effective the "vaccines" are to change the subject. LOL
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:55 pm to miracleman
Each agency is likely to have a memorandum regarding declassification procedures in order to protect the documents and to give agency heads the ability to contest declassification. Here is an example.
LINK
Instead of not being able to "get past something", try googling to begin the process of getting past it.
Tough to find because such procedures are not going to be specified in laws (USC) or regulations (CFR) but will be in memoranda of understanding.
LINK
Instead of not being able to "get past something", try googling to begin the process of getting past it.
Tough to find because such procedures are not going to be specified in laws (USC) or regulations (CFR) but will be in memoranda of understanding.
Posted on 8/12/22 at 11:57 pm to AUstar
Marxist’s have invaded every sector of the country from government to academics to private industry. The only way to take back the country is the way our forefathers did. We will have to fight for it.
This post was edited on 8/12/22 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:06 am to AUstar
Reason is a dull blade on this fricking idiots
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:10 am to oman
I just read the link and name every military position except Commander in Chief , president.
It may be nice to run it up the flagpole to see if military higher ups care about this being declassified, but the President is not beholden to them. Just like he can pick and choose which Generals to place in command. The military leaders have plans/ideas but the President dosent have to follow it.
It may be nice to run it up the flagpole to see if military higher ups care about this being declassified, but the President is not beholden to them. Just like he can pick and choose which Generals to place in command. The military leaders have plans/ideas but the President dosent have to follow it.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:16 am to WhiteMandingo
Not the same. The process I linked to allows a department head to contest a declassification that could harm the country.
Even if the President has ultimate authority, it builds in a process (which makes total sense) to stop a dimwit from fricking over the country.
Whatever your claim for ultimate authority, that's a different question than whether appropriate protocol was followed.
Do people on this thread actually believe that is no protocol for declassification. I just posted one that provides such a protocol and does not exclude the President.
Even if the President has ultimate authority, it builds in a process (which makes total sense) to stop a dimwit from fricking over the country.
Whatever your claim for ultimate authority, that's a different question than whether appropriate protocol was followed.
Do people on this thread actually believe that is no protocol for declassification. I just posted one that provides such a protocol and does not exclude the President.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:16 am to oman
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Each agency is likely to have a memorandum regarding declassification procedures in order to protect the documents and to give agency heads the ability to contest declassification. Here is an example. LINK Instead of not being able to "get past something", try googling to begin the process of getting past it. Tough to find because such procedures are not going to be specified in laws (USC) or regulations (CFR) but will be in memoranda of understanding.
Got ya. But so should the President be able to over ride an agencies’ procedures? I mean he is the president. Or should it just be up to an upper mid level manager (agency head) to make the call? Hell, someone has to make the call right?
And since, by your words, since such procedures are not going to be specified in laws or regulations, who should make that call? CNN, you, Merrick Garland? Just trying to figure out your angle.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:24 am to captdalton
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Got ya. But so should the President be able to over ride an agencies’ procedures?
If the procedure provides for an agency head contesting a declassification, the President is bound by that procedure until he has the agency change the procedure.
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 12:25 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:27 am to captdalton
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oman
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angle
Probably straight in.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:30 am to captdalton
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And since, by your words, since such procedures are not going to be specified in laws or regulations, who should make that call? CNN, you, Merrick Garland? Just trying to figure out your angle.
The law provides that an agency write regulations (which are codified in CFR). Those regs may then indicate that the agency will provide a declassification protocol that may be updated every ___ year. That protocol will be what we are talking about, and a court will say it has imprimatur because of the language of the law (USC) and regs (CFR).
My angle is that it is beyond my comprehension that most of you would be in favor of any President, including Dems, just handing over classified info to anyone without some protocol to provide some due diligence to make sure the release doesn't put Americans in harms way.
This is about an agency head telling the President "Mr. President, I think you need to think twice about declassifying that."
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:33 am to oman
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Each agency is likely to have a memorandum regarding declassification procedures in order to protect the documents and to give agency heads the ability to contest declassification.
They cannot contest the president. He is the final authority on these matters.
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Tough to find because such procedures are not going to be specified in laws (USC) or regulations (CFR) but will be in memoranda of understanding.
Exactly. You just made my argument for me. These are "procedures" and NOT laws. The truth is the president can (and does) make his own procedures for stuff like this.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 12:34 am to miracleman
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Yeah, ask a liberal to back up their mouth with ANYTHING and all you get is a blank stare and silence. Either that or they mindlessly start ranting about how effective the "vaccines" are to change the subject. LOL
You forgot their favorite and all encompassing deflection, regardless of topic: claim you’re racist
This post was edited on 8/13/22 at 12:36 am
Posted on 8/13/22 at 3:35 am to oman
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Tough to find because such procedures are not going to be specified in laws (USC) or regulations (CFR) but will be in memoranda of understanding.
Liberals have a hard time with this stuff. They will take anything they heard or read and try to apply it to the subject at hand. Remember "But he crossed state lines!!!!!!" Damn they are geniuses.
The DOD works for the president. Not the other way around. I know, it is confusing for you. We know Sparky... we know.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 4:15 am to oman
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Do people on this thread actually believe that is no protocol for declassification. I just posted one that provides such a protocol and does not exclude the President.
Did you happen to notice under who’s authority this memorandum was issued?
It doesn’t exclude the President because it is the executive branch that has delegated to their underlings a structure under which they may classify or declassify information.
It also grants power to give people access to dod compartmented programs and a whole laundry list of procedures for the safety of protected information so that they’re not required to consult the President on every mundane task.
The President as the head of the executive branch could rescind this memorandum at his sole discretion.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 6:06 am to oman
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If the procedure provides for an agency head contesting a declassification, the President is bound by that procedure until he has the agency change the procedure.
Nah. The ELECTED President can override any bureaucrat made “procedure.” He’s the ultimate authority over EVERY executive agency.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 6:09 am to AUstar
Mar A Lago is another Democratic hoax, period!
They scared shitless of DJT!
They scared shitless of DJT!
Posted on 8/13/22 at 6:29 am to AUstar
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Others agree the president has such powers, but insist that one man should not have the power to declassify anything he wants. But I ask, if we don't give it to the president, then WHO do we give this power to?
What most people don’t understand is that it’s lower level bureaucratic types that are probably labeling these documents to start with.
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:23 am to oman
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If the procedure provides for an agency head contesting a declassification, the President is bound by that procedure until he has the agency change the procedure.
Well that settles it Kamala, what a word salad response. The president has the authority, a department head can "protest" but it still will be declassed,
Posted on 8/13/22 at 7:40 am to AUstar
All irrelevant. None of the statutes cited in the warrant require the documents to be "classified."
I don't pretend to know anything about government and military procedures for handling various levels of classified information. I have no experience with it.
But Congress is always the ultimate authority on matters, whether that makes sense to you or not. We do not have a King, and Congress is the voice of the people.
In practice, if a President declassified a bunch of highly sensitive documents, then Congress should impeach him and remove him from office.
If a President declassifies a bunch of stuff on his way out the door, then what is our recourse? For now, the Senate refuses to convict an ex-President for impeachment. I guess the new President can reclassify the documents if he is aware of the issue, but what else?
Are we honestly saying the Constitution allows a scorned President to declassify a bunch of sensitive information, and then sell it to the highest bidder with no recourse?
I don't pretend to know anything about government and military procedures for handling various levels of classified information. I have no experience with it.
But Congress is always the ultimate authority on matters, whether that makes sense to you or not. We do not have a King, and Congress is the voice of the people.
In practice, if a President declassified a bunch of highly sensitive documents, then Congress should impeach him and remove him from office.
If a President declassifies a bunch of stuff on his way out the door, then what is our recourse? For now, the Senate refuses to convict an ex-President for impeachment. I guess the new President can reclassify the documents if he is aware of the issue, but what else?
Are we honestly saying the Constitution allows a scorned President to declassify a bunch of sensitive information, and then sell it to the highest bidder with no recourse?
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