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re: I know Trump was under tremendous pressure, but he shouldn’t have shut us down.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:01 pm to Revelator
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:01 pm to Revelator
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That’s right. That’s why it would have been better to die on a hill of his own making and not someone else’s.
I understand what you're saying to a degree BUT I would say that the hounding in the media would have been several degrees higher if the virus went the wrong direction to the point of being completely insufferable plus knowing there were a spike in deaths for making the wrong call. I totally don't blame him for erring on the side of caution at first but even so, as others have noted, he is not acting as a dictator and he let the individual states to make their own decisions to shut down. Many blue states would have done this regardless of what Trump suggested.
I am not sure what those who want to blame Trump for anything feel he could be doing differently and stay within the bounds of The Constitution. He understands we still have one even if certain governors and local officials forget this fact. He has done his level best to listen to his advisors and take a steady approach to all of this. If any voter votes against him for how he has handled this and simultaneously believe anyone the Dems have to offer who would do or have done a better job, they are fully delusional and struck with a severe case of TDS to go along with their corona paranoia.
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:04 pm to Revelator
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He’s made many decisions and makes new ones every day which he outlines in daily press briefings.
Which of these decisions involved him shutting down the economy, forcing states and cities to close their economy?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:14 pm to Revelator
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I coming at this from the perspective of a Trump supporter who fears he’s made a decision based on bad advice that could doom him. I’m not trying to place blame on Trump. No one man should ever have this much weight thrown on his lap.
Right, I get where you are coming from. I was more so responding to the poster who said Trump was about to get an avalanche of blame for screwing up. And you are correct, he had a heaping pile of manure dropped in his lap and has been doing the best he can as this evolves.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:15 pm to jnethe1
No one has said he forced anything to shut down.
It's the fact he didn't tell any one to STAY OPEN.
He's playing a stupid catch 22.
See I never told you shut down, you did that on your own.....based on us declaring an emergency and touting these deep state POS Bill Gates plants Dr fricki and Brixi telling us we are all going to die everyday if we don't do XYZ and get a vaccine, and they are still doing this 6 weeks later, nothing has changed.
Revisionist history here, I mean for weeks Trump blabbed about PPE, vents, retooling, how is that not fear mongering verses, the numbers are low, I'm not giving the "good' drs the mic for an hr each day, etc.
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE.
It's the fact he didn't tell any one to STAY OPEN.
He's playing a stupid catch 22.
See I never told you shut down, you did that on your own.....based on us declaring an emergency and touting these deep state POS Bill Gates plants Dr fricki and Brixi telling us we are all going to die everyday if we don't do XYZ and get a vaccine, and they are still doing this 6 weeks later, nothing has changed.
Revisionist history here, I mean for weeks Trump blabbed about PPE, vents, retooling, how is that not fear mongering verses, the numbers are low, I'm not giving the "good' drs the mic for an hr each day, etc.
OPEN YOUR EYES SHEEPLE.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:20 pm to Revelator
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Trump is going to get 100% the blame for the coming economic collapse.
Presidents always get 100% of the blame. But your (IMO) wrongly believing that this economy will never come back. And also wrongly believing that Trumps voters are suddenly going to jump on the Biden band wagon (Or who ever the Dems ultimately run)
IMO the overwhelming majority of people understand that this was a real virus that was used politically by political opponents of the President to affect the November election.
Yes the President made decisions, and has to own the responsibility (which all presidents have to do) but if you stop and think about it logically, he had little choice. Again the economy can and will come back, Had this thing turned into what they though it could be dead people don't come back.
I get your frustration and Trump deserves some of it but it really should be focused at the real villeins in this which are the presidents political enemies and their mouth piece the MSM.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:25 pm to Snipe
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Presidents always get 100% of the blame. But your (IMO) wrongly believing that this economy will never come back. And also wrongly believing that Trumps voters are suddenly going to jump on the Biden band wagon (Or who ever the Dems ultimately run) IMO the overwhelming majority of people understand that this was a real virus that was used politically by political opponents of the President to affect the November election.
The economy might come back over years, but the debt incurred in the process isn’t going away. And there is now talk of a third stimulus. I wonder if it will ever end?
And yes, I agree that most Trump supporters will not abandon him and are smart enough to known this was thrust upon him, but middle of the road voters might not see it that way.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:31 pm to Revelator
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I agree that most Trump supporters will not abandon him and are smart enough to known this was thrust upon him, but middle of the road voters might not see it that way.
So, conservatives who wanted NO shut down will vote Trump. But 'middle of the roaders' who are kinda scared will say 'Trump should have opened things up right away!'
Do you realize how illogical that is?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:34 pm to Zach
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But 'middle of the roaders' who are kinda scared will say 'Trump should have opened things up right away!' Do you realize how illogical that is?
Are you assuming that most voters are motivated by logic?
Many are motivated by fear and misinformation.
What percentage of the population still believes the Russian Hoax?
What percentage of the population knows that over 98% of those who get the virus survive?
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:02 pm to Jrv2damac
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Yeah, his supporters will just blurt out the 13577585-D chess idiom though.
No, dipshit, we will correctly point out that the governors did it.
way to slay those straw supporters though, you are a real warrior
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:16 pm to gthog61
You are far too easily angered.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:44 pm to Zach
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So, if Trump said 'A lockdown is bad' then all the lockdowns would go away? Really?
You're being obtuse so let's cut to the chase. Answer - this September when the Coronavirus in the news is the congressional oversight hearings featuring Anthony Fauci and the virus itself is just "meh," and the unemployment rate is still over 10%, forecloses have skyrocketed and small business bankruptcies have shattered records while Jeff Bezos and the Walton family have added $100B to their net worth (each), do you think the majority of Americans will hold Trump accountable, or will they debate presidential powers -v- local control?
I'm a Trump supporter. Until he shite the bed over C-19, I believed he was right about nearly all of his policy/action. But he was a fool about the virus. He ignored his instincts and allowed a narrative and an elfin beauracrat take control of the country, and now he's compounding this mistake with the PPP BS, walking back his freeze on immigration and slow walking the reopening of the economy.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:20 pm to highbooost
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It's the fact he didn't tell any one to STAY OPEN.
Well I hope that this all results in a revolution of some sort.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 5:23 pm to David_DJS
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I'm a Trump supporter. Until he shite the bed over C-19, I believed he was right about nearly all of his policy/action. But he was a fool about the virus. He ignored his instincts and allowed a narrative and an elfin beauracrat take control of the country, and now he's compounding this mistake with the PPP BS, walking back his freeze on immigration and slow walking the reopening of the economy
He is certainly doing some un-Trump type things during this pandemic.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:15 am to Revelator
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but the debt incurred in the process isn’t going away.
This country has long sense passed the point of paying down debt, It only goes up. It's a giant step but we were going to be her no matter what. No party cuts spending and no party decreases debt. But all parties increase the debt.
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