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re: I Heard Two Interesting Positions on NPR Today; Do People Not Have Savings Anymore?

Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:40 pm to
Posted by RiseUpATL
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:40 pm to
A 401K is not a savings account. Who the frick told you that?
Posted by PEPE
Member since Jun 2018
8198 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:44 pm to
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we're a family of 5 with well over 90K a year and don't have substantial savings. I dont know how people make it on 50 60 or 70k a year.


What sort of lifestyle do you live? Do you live in an extremely expensive house? Do you and your wife drive new cars every few years? Do you take expensive vacations regularly?

Throughout most of America 90K is plenty to build up healthy savings, if you choose to sacrifice a few luxuries to do it.
Posted by Muleriderhog
NYC
Member since Jan 2015
3116 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:46 pm to
Me and the wife make a little over 250k, with 4 kids and don’t have a lot saved, roughly 2 months worth, but we live in NYC and bought an apartment 2 years ago. Luckily both of our jobs allow us to work from home so we don’t have anything to worry about during this.

That said, it’s scary how quiet the city has been this week.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 8:47 pm
Posted by RiseUpATL
Member since Sep 2018
2214 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:52 pm to
90K in metro Atlanta isn’t enough. Can tell you that. Especially with kids.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37539 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 8:53 pm to
Then, like a friend of mine, you have a hemorrhagic stroke a year ago and cannot work his job, gets 60% of his salary, and loads of expenses. That 6 month cushion then becomes reversed
Posted by Muthsera
Member since Jun 2017
7319 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:02 pm to
It all comes down to discipline and sacrifice.

My wife and I are no more than middle (some would say lower-middle) class in our early 30s.

We worked through college and graduated with about 17k loans between us. We don't vacation. We upgraded cars only when necessary. When our CC debt started getting out of control, we cut ourselves off and maintained until we could afford to pay it down. We waited until 30 to have a baby.

More than anything, we have always prioritized having an emergency fund and saving for specific goals (wedding, baby, etc).

The amount of batshit insane mistakes I see people my age make financially is ridiculous. Every penny of a raise or bonus goes to "reward" themselves when they're sitting on tens of thousands in debt and no assets to speak of. Not even touching the people who smoke or drink away thousands of dollars a year and freak out over a $25 co-pay to go to the doctor.
Posted by beachdude
FL
Member since Nov 2008
6494 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:06 pm to
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can’t...have...savings


Yes they could if they didn’t have to spend 60% of their income on housing.
Posted by Who_Dat_Tiger
Member since Nov 2015
25551 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:08 pm to
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It all comes down to discipline and sacrifice


Yep my wife and I are in our 20s and I came out of college with no more than a few grand in a checking account and my wife has a crap load of student loans yet we nearly have an entire years worth of salary combined in our savings account already. Granted we don’t have kids yet but I don’t understand how the majority of Americans end up living paycheck to paycheck. I never believe those statistics.

I blame schools and education for not teaching finance curriculums. That part I get though. The more debt slaves the closer we are to voluntarily voting in communism!
Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
26316 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:10 pm to
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Yes they could if they didn’t have to spend 60% of their income on housing.


90k a year is 5400 a month after taxes.

I don’t think most people making that in the US have a house payment near 3300 a month.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56550 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:11 pm to
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My question is: does the average American really not have any money saved?


the stat is like 80% of Americans have less than 400 bucks in savings
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61385 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:13 pm to
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I feel like there are adults with families who have no safety net, and frankly will never have the means or intent to save.

wages have been stagnant while costs have risen. It’s not like most people are buying boats or mansions instead of saving money.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61385 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:15 pm to
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Throughout most of America 90K is plenty to build up healthy savings, if you choose to sacrifice a few luxuries to do it.


You are super put of touch. My family spends $20k/year on daycare, not vacations.
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
7899 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:17 pm to
My only issue with the traditional “savings” account is that the yield is just crazy low. I max out my 401K, so I don’t have as much in traditional savings earning less than 1% interest as I should. The other benefit to the typically great returns of the 401k is that it’s harder to touch, but I can borrow against it in a crisis if I have to, and I’m paying myself back the interest. I also have low debt and real good credit, so barring an utter catastrophe, I feel like I’m ok without a year’s salary.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20073 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:18 pm to
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Throughout most of America 90K is plenty to build up healthy savings

With a family of 5? What kind of math are you using?
Posted by Pussykat
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
3889 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:18 pm to
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It all comes down to discipline and sacrifice


Right, and some imagination. Bring a sandwich for lunch instead of eating out, that’s app $50 a week in savings, x 52 weeks, $2600! If saving is a priority it can be done and seeing that account balance grow is very satisfying.
Posted by Rust Cohle
Baton rouge
Member since Mar 2014
2153 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:24 pm to
Yea like 70% of Americans have less than $1000 in savings, 35% have 0. Most are a flat tire away from being broke.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
72094 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:24 pm to
Yea I see no issue with viewing a 401k as a last ditch savings. That's what mine is for now. Unfortunately in this kind of catastrophe it's taken a major hit.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60664 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:31 pm to
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It’s tough. I’m 33. Had 50k of student loans out of school making 55k. After 10 years of working in my field I now make over 130K. I was able to pay off all my student loans and both cars for me and my wife and erase all debt by the time I was 30. For the 7 years prior to both my income and my wife’s income (combined at the time 100K before tax) went all to rent/mortgage, car notes, student loans. I always paid extra on the student loans to pay them off until I flipped a house for profit and paid everything off. If I had not taken a chance on the house flip id still be paying that off.

you were either spending too much on rent and cars or overpaying on student loans. no excuse not to save like 10k for a rainy day if you were making 100k.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:33 pm to
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4cubbies


Fake Christian
Posted by RiseUpATL
Member since Sep 2018
2214 posts
Posted on 3/18/20 at 9:34 pm to
You can take a loan against your 401K. In my mind anything you take a loan against isn’t a savings account. Great you are pouring all your cash into it up to the max but I’d rather have some of that more liquid in case of emergency. You can’t take a loan against it for the full value in most plans anyways. Only up to a portion. Again. Not a savings account. Plus in times just like this your 401K can cost you a lot more than having cash or other form of marketable security. You should never have all your cash tied up into a 401K.
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