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re: I have a science question
Posted on 1/20/19 at 7:45 am to L.A.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 7:45 am to L.A.
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A human female is pregnant. The fetus inside her is a human being, correct?
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I’m not talking about religion or society or politics or anything else like that. Strictly from a scientific POV. It’s a human being, right?
I think you are correct. We all were a fetus inside a womb in a female and we are now all human beings of differing types and persuasions. You can't be us if we weren't one of them (fetus). So yes they are human beings in nascent form. It's when you get like us that you can come up with stupid shite reasons why that obvious continuum is not a continuum.
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 7:52 am to L.A.
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A human female is pregnant. The fetus inside her is a human being, correct?
Unless it's a Democrat.
No abortions + no birth control = more Democrats.
Genius.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:19 am to MSMHater
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Im agnostic and believe it's a life at conception.
But Ill defer to the current law of the land until its legally changed. That's how our country works.
Man/lady you have balz, you should think about a career in politics or perhaps become a general in the military!
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:22 am to L.A.
It could self identify as a dragon for all we know
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:22 am to L.A.
It is certainly Homo Sapiens. THAT is science.
Whether it is a “human being” is more of a philosophical question.
Whether it is a “human being” is more of a philosophical question.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:28 am to TBoy
quote:I support abortion rights to a point, but this is a bit disingenuous. A spematazoa is not yet genetically human, as it contains only half the necessary genetic material.
Here’s a science question also. Human sperm is alive, right? It’s also human right? It doesn’t need to ever find an egg to be alive. It isn’t dead right?
This post was edited on 1/20/19 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:31 am to L.A.
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A human female is pregnant. The fetus inside her is a human being, correct?
Can it survive outside the womb?
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:31 am to mahdragonz
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Laws define acts.
If a woman is on her way to an abortion clinic to terminate a pregnancy and someone robs and kills her, they could be charged with two counts of murder in almost every jurisdiction in the country. Yet had the woman made it to the abortion clinic, there is no murder charge with regard to the fetus. If the law recognizes a fetus as a person in cases of homicide by a third-party or abuse and neglect by the mother, how is said fetus not deemed a person in cases of abortion?
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:33 am to SCLibertarian
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If the law recognizes a fetus as a person in cases of homicide by a third-party or abuse and neglect by the mother, how is said fetus not deemed a person in cases of abortion?
Because the mother has ultimate say over her own body, and her choice to not carry a fetus to term is within her rights but not within the rights of a third party to decide by killing her and the fetus.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:37 am to Pectus
quote:This is perhaps the dumbest argument in the pro-life arsenal.
Here's how to keep it straight forward...if you kill the woman carrying the fetus...do you get charged for 2 murders or one?
The answer to your question depends entirely upom the jurisdiction or state in which you reside. That fact alone displays the facile nature of the argument.
Setting that aside, you will be waiting a VERY long time, if you hope to see internal consistency in legal codes.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:38 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Huh?
agnostic ... divine right to existence,
Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:05 am to TBoy
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I prefer to draw the line well after the sperm and egg, after the woman can figure out she’s pregnant. That gives her the right to have a meaningful opportunity to say no, she’s not ready to have a kid.
My view is that while I'm personally against abortion in all instances, I understand that legal and political compromises would save more lives than being a hard liner. In light of that, the earliest a child has been born and survived (this is the science part that is going to change over time) is 21 weeks. So why not put a federal ban on abortion at the 21-week mark and then let the states restrict it more from there if they want to?
If science improves such that 18 weeks becomes the earliest point at which a premature baby can survive, then the ban would be updated to start at 18 weeks.
Here's the thing, though. The left will never agree to any restrictions on abortion, even science-based restrictions like the one I've mentioned above. Just like the nuclear family debate, the left's side of the debate has lost all scientific grounding and become purely about ideology. They will refuse to cede any ground on this issue, lest they lend credibility to what they view as the religious extremists on the other side.
This is also why the pro-life crowd needs to make debates about abortion and the nuclear family about science. While the religious aspects of these debates are obviously important in the private sphere, they have no place in the public debate.
This post was edited on 1/20/19 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/20/19 at 11:46 am to GoldenGuy
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Scientifically, he's correct
But science has specified that he is human. He’s oversimplifying.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 12:35 pm to Rougarou13
Scientist use DNA to determine species.
Because your DNA determines what species you are.
Scientist use DNA to determine if a person is male or female.
Because DNA determines your gender.
If the DNA of a fetus is scientifically determined to be human DNA then it is a human.
A fetus is alive. A fetus can be killed just like you are me by being dismembered or by being poisoned. No difference.
So a fetus is alive and human. Fact.. It is only disputed by liars.
Scientifically it can not be argued that a human fetus is not a person.
You can't argue that its location makes it something other than what the DNA says it is. Liberals try to convince people that it is not a human because it is in the womb. But the fact remains that every human walking the streets today was once alive inside a womb.
Because your DNA determines what species you are.
Scientist use DNA to determine if a person is male or female.
Because DNA determines your gender.
If the DNA of a fetus is scientifically determined to be human DNA then it is a human.
A fetus is alive. A fetus can be killed just like you are me by being dismembered or by being poisoned. No difference.
So a fetus is alive and human. Fact.. It is only disputed by liars.
Scientifically it can not be argued that a human fetus is not a person.
You can't argue that its location makes it something other than what the DNA says it is. Liberals try to convince people that it is not a human because it is in the womb. But the fact remains that every human walking the streets today was once alive inside a womb.
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:16 pm to arcalades
the very second it has a heart beat it is a living human being, that is a scientific FACT
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:18 pm to omegaman66
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Scientist use DNA to determine species.
Because your DNA determines what species you are.
Uh...
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Scientifically it can not be argued that a human fetus is not a person.
Uh...
That's because "person" isn't a scientific term
This post was edited on 1/20/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:23 pm to BamaAtl
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Because the mother has ultimate say over her own body
This shite gets so old
The whole debate is whether or not a fetus is/isn't a human life.
Calling the fetus "her own body" is the equivalent of a pro-lifer saying "I'm pro-life because I'm against murder"
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:27 pm to L.A.
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I have a science question
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The fetus inside her is a human being, correct?
Posted on 1/20/19 at 1:30 pm to geauxtigahs87
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The whole debate is whether or not a fetus is/isn't a human life.
No it isn't. A fetus is clearly human and clearly life. It'd be silly to argue against that.
It's about whether or not a collection of cells has rights that supercede a person's rights.
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