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I guess I don’t understand the outrage from our side over the Ashli Babbitt shooting
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:45 pm
It’s at least as justified as some of the shootings we tend to defend here (usually rightfully so I believe). He doesn’t know if she has a weapon or not, and you can’t afford to assume someone willing to do that doesn’t mean you or those you’re tasked to protect harm. Moreover, this clearly fell into the “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” category. I suspect in virtually any other scenario without the underlying political narrative everyone here would be saying good riddance.
Is there a double standard regarding the release of the officers identity? Probably, though depending on who you believe there may be legal technicalities with releasing that information with this occurring on federal property and him being a federal employee. But there’s a reasonable expectation of getting shot once you are attempting to do what she did.
Is there a double standard regarding the release of the officers identity? Probably, though depending on who you believe there may be legal technicalities with releasing that information with this occurring on federal property and him being a federal employee. But there’s a reasonable expectation of getting shot once you are attempting to do what she did.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:46 pm
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:46 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He doesn’t know if she has a weapon or not,
...and doesn't know if the other 609 people do either...but he stopped shooting after one.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
She has some responsibility for her death.
GF has some responsibility for his overdose.
The double standard is real either way.
GF has some responsibility for his overdose.
The double standard is real either way.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
We own that place. Everything that happens there, is our business.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
It’s part of the greater picture.
It’s not just her death in a vacuum. It’s how if you shoot a protestor actually assaulting you, you get charged like Saint Kyle.
It’s how Jacob Blake, a rapist, gets told “I’m proud of you” by the future Vice President just because he got shot resisting police.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
It’s not just her death in a vacuum. It’s how if you shoot a protestor actually assaulting you, you get charged like Saint Kyle.
It’s how Jacob Blake, a rapist, gets told “I’m proud of you” by the future Vice President just because he got shot resisting police.
Nothing happens in a vacuum.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Did you see to video?
I guess I don’t understand the outrage from our side over the Ashli Babbitt shooting
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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our side
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
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our side
Pathetic attempt.
Really.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
why can’t all cops be protected from identity until they are actually brought charges against them if this is the standard? why is there no media digging into this at all?
It’s the hush hush identy protected of cop with no trial, no media coverage that should have liberals in a tizzy.
“Cops just get to gun citizens down with no repercussions!!!”
It’s the hush hush identy protected of cop with no trial, no media coverage that should have liberals in a tizzy.
“Cops just get to gun citizens down with no repercussions!!!”
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
FOAD
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:52 pm to Bulldogblitz
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...and doesn't know if the other 609 people do either...but he stopped shooting after one.
Only one was trying to climb through the window. Interestingly, nobody else tried after that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
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guess I don’t understand the outrage from our side over the Ashli Babbitt shooting
It's a complex issue, because this incident occurred at an inflection point in the right wing of our political spectrum. A lot of people, for a lot of very valid reasons, are simultaneously coming to the realization that the rules that they've followed and supported their whole lives aren't being applied to their political opponents.
Others, on the center right particularly, aren't seeing it quite as dire, and have largely viewed this incident from a purely objective standpoint. It's a simple case of disobeying the rules and paying the price for it. That perspective is informed by a desire (or possibly a delusion) to believe there is a way to come back from where we are to somewhere more sane.
I'm personally committed to the idea that keeping the faith for a society that doesn't exist anymore is a bad idea, and I'm supportive of people that are actively working on changing it through a variety of means, even if I don't exactly agree with what they choose. I consider these people to be on the leading edge of a "sea change" (to coin a popular neolib term) and honor their actions even when they don't look so pretty.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:52 pm to Roger Klarvin
He knew. He could see plain as day, he ambushed her with no warning and no attempt to see if there was a weapon present or not.
Had she been a BLM protester and he a white officer the firestorm would have been of epic proportions and don't even try to claim otherwise, because you will be knowingly telling a lie if you do.
The Capitol would be a burned out hulk and much of Washington would have been set afire that very night, and there is no doubt about that. None.
Had she been a BLM protester and he a white officer the firestorm would have been of epic proportions and don't even try to claim otherwise, because you will be knowingly telling a lie if you do.
The Capitol would be a burned out hulk and much of Washington would have been set afire that very night, and there is no doubt about that. None.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Probably, though depending on who you believe there may be legal technicalities with releasing that information with this occurring on federal property and him being a federal employee.
This sets a dangerous precedent where all federal employees are immune from their actions. Think about that.
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But there’s a reasonable expectation of getting shot once you are attempting to do what she did.
Because tear gas or pepper bombs weren’t an option.
Remind me, what exactly did she do that warranted her being shot?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:55 pm to NC_Tigah
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Did you see to video?
Yeah, she was an unauthorized intruder climbing through a window into the inner area of a federal building with dozens of sitting US congressmen and women inside.
If this had been say, the White House she doesn’t make it 20 yards from the fence before getting her head blown off and everyone would applaud that. Ashli Babbitt was about four steps further along than that.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:55 pm to antibarner
She didn’t die, nor actually shot
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It’s at least as justified as some of the shootings we tend to defend here (usually rightfully so I believe).
Meh - when the person shot is unarmed, I usually like to see something else.
Take Arbery for a complex case - regardless of the posse's intentions (seems there had been credible reports of trespassing/property crimes, etc., and he fit the description), they created a situation in pursuing him - he wasn't armed and they were. They were on a public street - yes he did charge an armed man and tried to take the gun. What choice did Arbery have under those circumstances?
Now, let's go for a more straightforward case of an unarmed person - Michael Brown. He wasn't armed, but was big as a house. He rushed the cop, slammed the door on him and tried to get his gun. There was separation, but then he charged the now injured officer. What choice did the officer have in those circumstances?
Now, take Ms. Babbitt. Clearly unarmed. Trespassing? Sure. But trespassing without some other aggravating factor isn't likely to justify deadly force, particularly if the trespasser is unarmed.
In most places in the South we can shoot burglars because a burglar of an inhabited dwelling is presumed to have violent intent and/or the castle doctrine is applied. That generally doesn't extend to property crimes in public or commercial spaces.
Now, I get it - if she had strolled in there merely waving a weapon around, that amps up the response protocol quite a bit, but that wasn't the case.
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Is there a double standard regarding the release of the officers identity? Probably, though depending on who you believe there may be legal technicalities with releasing that information with this occurring on federal property and him being a federal employee.
Do you have the slightest bit of doubt had Babbit been a *ahem* "person of color" and the officer been white, we wouldn't have every detail about the officer (federal employee or not)? The officer would have been suspended pending review, etc.
That is at least part of the outrage. We're either concerned about police misconduct, particularly with regard to shooting/killing unarmed suspects, or we're not. We can't only care when the officer is white and the person shot is black.
(Or if the person shot is a presumptive Democrat, etc.)
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
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He doesn’t know if she has a weapon or not, and you can’t afford to assume someone willing to do that
Its no different from any other of these stupid situations. Two people made mistakes.
I don't think he should have killed her.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 6:58 pm to antibarner
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Had she been a BLM protester and he a white officer the firestorm would have been of epic proportions and don't even try to claim otherwise, because you will be knowingly telling a lie if you do.
Sure, but that only speaks to the double standard. It says nothing about whether this was actually justified or not. That’s my question, as many here seem to want this officer charged with murder.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 7:00 pm to Roger Klarvin
I suppose you didn't watch the White House riots this summer where a lot of Secret Service agents got injured, and no one got their heads blown off. Granted, no one scaled the fence, but they sure pushed up to it. They didn't take President Trump to the bunker for no reason.
No one died. Had they, someone would have been charged.
No one died. Had they, someone would have been charged.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 7:01 pm
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