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re: I don't support regime change in Venezuela
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:47 pm to SOSFAN
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:47 pm to SOSFAN
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That's simply not true. Venezuela whole military can be wiped out by 1 Carrier Group. The citizens of Venezuela would welcome madoro being taken out.
I don't dispute that we could defeat Venezuela easily. I said that in an earlier post.
Winning the war is not the issue.
Occupying the country afterward is the problem.
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Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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talk to a couple regularly, online. They were both pro USA, now they are very anti Trump
Online " friends" that you actually don't know anything about are your sorce and the fact that you talk to them regularly tells me they are, most likely, ate up with TDS just like you.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:53 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Occupying the country afterward is the problem.
The government that actually won their election are waiting in the wings. If we take out the leaders in the military the citizens will be happy to have the new government. We would leave some advisors but no need to occupy lie Iraq.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 12:58 pm to goldennugget
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I don't support regime change in Venezuela
Too late. It’s changed.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Ever read the real breakdown on the armed forces of Venezuela?
Worse than a turkey shoot.
About 50 F-16’s…..only three work.
Worse than a turkey shoot.
About 50 F-16’s…..only three work.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:01 pm to northshorebamaman
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So did Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Haiti.
They did not.
Haiti has been a borderline failed state for the entirety of their history and countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya knew nothing of real democracy because the concept was more or less foreign to them. Some 40 years ago, Venezuela was the richest and most prosperous country in all of South America until they abandoned true democracy for socialism.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:06 pm to SOSFAN
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The government that actually won their election are waiting in the wings. If we take out the leaders in the military the citizens will be happy to have the new government. We would leave some advisors but no need to occupy lie Iraq.
The real enemy is the cartel, not the military, although they are intertwined.
The cartel is similar to the Taliban.
The new government won't be able to function without US troops on the ground, and US taxpayer dollars, propping them up.
Afghanistan 2.0.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:07 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The new government won't be able to function without US troops on the ground propping them up.
Afghanistan 2.0.
Sigh. Such a simple mind.
The cartels, unlike the Taliban, are not motivated by ideology. All they care about is making money. If they can't do it in Venezuela they will move somewhere else where they can more or less operate without the fear of getting killed.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:08 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The real enemy is the cartel, not the military, although they are intertwined.
Roger the screamer has assured us that Venezuela is a minor player so there can't be the Cartel involved in Venezuela
Posted on 11/30/25 at 1:08 pm to goldennugget
As a general rule, USA induced regime changes do not turn out well.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 3:23 pm to TulsaSooner78
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Invading Venezuela would be more on the scale of the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan.
Venezuelans are not ideological zealots. Nor is Venezuela half way across the world. It's basically in our backyard.
Furthermore, the great many citizens of Venezuela are supporters of the U.S. who are hoping that Maduro and his henchmen are overthrown.
I have several Venezuelan friends. They tell me that they're in contact with family back home and that the U.S. has 1000s and 1000s of Venezuelans waiting for the shoe to drop ... that the commie socialists' heads are gonna roll.
A lot of payback is coming.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:04 pm to RollTide1987
quote:They absolutely did. Iraq had the Iraqi National Congress. Afghanistan had the Northern Alliance. Libya had the Transitional Council. Haiti had Aristide’s restored government. All were presented as ‘ready to govern’ the moment we stepped in. None of them could hold a country together without outside force.
They did not.
Haiti has been a borderline failed state for the entirety of their history and countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya knew nothing of real democracy because the concept was more or less foreign to them. Some 40 years ago, Venezuela was the richest and most prosperous country in all of South America until they abandoned true democracy for socialism.
Your argument boils down to ‘those places don’t count because they didn’t already have the political culture we wanted.’ Right, that’s why they collapsed. That’s the point. A government-in-waiting is just an exile fan club.
Venezuela is not magically exempt from the pattern because you like their opposition’s résumé.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:05 pm to RollTide1987
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Sigh. Such a simple mind.
The cartels, unlike the Taliban, are not motivated by ideology. All they care about is making money. If they can't do it in Venezuela they will move somewhere else where they can more or less operate without the fear of getting killed.
Yours is a simple-minded response.
Making money is an ideology.
Forcing the cartel out of Venezuela does not solve the problem. They exist all over Central and South America, and even inside the US.
So please tell me again, what problem would invading and occupying Venezuela solve?
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:12 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Then what the hell is the point?
The cartels, unlike the Taliban, are not motivated by ideology. All they care about is making money. If they can't do it in Venezuela they will move somewhere else where they can more or less operate without the fear of getting killed
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:15 pm to SOSFAN
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Roger the screamer has assured us that Venezuela is a minor player so there can't be the Cartel involved in Venezuela
There's that MAGA logic.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 4:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I talk to a couple regularly, online. They were both pro USA, now they are very anti Trump.
pathological. Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:13 pm to SOSFAN
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Online " friends" that you actually don't know anything about
Oh, I do.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:14 pm to GoldenGuy
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But Venezuelans, not Americans, are the ones that need to institute the change
They voted out Maduro but he wouldn’t leave
Posted on 11/30/25 at 6:25 pm to CCTider
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But then where is Don Jr gonna get his blow?
Actual blow in the Biden Whitehouse, and this is what you got?
Lame.
Posted on 11/30/25 at 9:02 pm to rtr72
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Drugs flowing into America’s not our problem gotcha.
Geez man…show proof from any govt website or news source prior to Trump’s 2018 hard on for Venezuela that drugs were “flowing into America” from there.
This post was edited on 11/30/25 at 9:15 pm
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