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re: I am a conservative who believes the job of teaching is under paid
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:32 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:I don't set the value for either.
It's only dumb if you undervalue the worth of a teacher, compared to a lawyer and a finance major.
How much it takes to hire a good one of any of them is what sets the value.
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:33 pm to ShortyRob
That depends on the school district. It is $35,890 coming out of college passing the praxis with a Bachelors degree for the first 3 years. A masters degree will earn you 38,000 Art teachers usually end up having to buy their own shite because trying to get anything through the school is dam near impossible. Art Supplies aren't cheap either. but carry on since you know so much about Mississippi School teachers.
pay schedule. The 40k you quote is through passing more certifications or having a Ph.D. So if you get a Ph.D and then decide you want to start teaching year 1-3 you will make 40k
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pay schedule. The 40k you quote is through passing more certifications or having a Ph.D. So if you get a Ph.D and then decide you want to start teaching year 1-3 you will make 40k
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Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:34 pm to pizzatiger
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But would she work for the same money in a failing school system? That's the whole point. Good school districts attract good teachers and pay can be adequate if it's a lower COL area. Bad school districts are desperate. And sometimes they're in high COL areas.
This is actually a key point.
If teacher's SALARIES were the problem, good school districts wouldn't be able to hire good school teachers. Alas, they ARE able.
So. SALARY isn't the primary driver of the problem.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:36 pm to the808bass
I’m also a SPED teacher that’s been given ALE/Behavioral students instead of true SPED students. Which has made my job hard. There’s issues with our principal trying to run IEP undercover but it’s getting better, I think/hope
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:39 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
This is actually a key point.
If teacher's SALARIES were the problem, good school districts wouldn't be able to hire good school teachers. Alas, they ARE able.
So. SALARY isn't the primary driver of the problem.
But dude, teaching in a good district is generally a more desirable, easier job. Why would someone teach at a bad school for the same money? In the case of Louisiana, some of the shittier districts pay less than the good ones. Talk about a tough sell for a quality college graduate. And guess what? No one good is waiting in line for that job. Some teachers in Louisiana are borderline retarded.
This post was edited on 6/20/19 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:40 pm to pizzatiger
quote:They wouldn't. I was agreeing with you. It is a huge issue.
But dude, teaching in a good district is generally a more desirable, easier job. Why would someone teach at a bad school for the same money?
I had a friend who worked in Hampton City Schools which pays more than ALL of the neighboring school districts. Yet, Hampton City can't keep a fricking soul who is worth a shite. Meanwhile, the surrounding districts have a line around the building.
When my friend left Hampton Schools, he told me that after he'd been assaulted for the 3rd time that his wife told him that "if she'd wanted to worry about her husband returning home alive from work, she'd have married a cop".
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:42 pm to yatesdog38
Clearly teaching is easy AF and the benefits are F-ing amazing and it is the most desireable job out there. I'm taking the praxis now and quitting my current job.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:44 pm to yatesdog38
quote:I don't think it's easy. If it were easy, we wouldn't have so many bad ones.
Clearly teaching is easy AF
That chip on your shoulder is a shade enormous
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:47 pm to ShortyRob
ditto, sorry you had shitty teachers growing up. I apologize for holding mine in such high regard.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:56 pm to Bourre
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Schools should be year round with longer breaks
Georgia is practically like this...
Summer starts after memorial day holiday and starts the last week in July
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:56 pm to yatesdog38
Why is it people always bring up Teachers and low pay?
Look at EMT's, the very people who are largely responsible for saving many lives and the average in MS is 9.75/hr?
Then look at cops/ military...
If we can't pay up to protect and save why would we care about teaching?
I'm not knocking the system but it is interesting how we arrived at this point.
Look at EMT's, the very people who are largely responsible for saving many lives and the average in MS is 9.75/hr?
Then look at cops/ military...
If we can't pay up to protect and save why would we care about teaching?
I'm not knocking the system but it is interesting how we arrived at this point.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:58 pm to IceTiger
Huh? What GA district you in?
Posted on 6/20/19 at 3:58 pm to yatesdog38
quote:what the frick are you talking about? I think pretty highly of most of the teachers I had
ditto, sorry you had shitty teachers growing
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:02 pm to duckdude
That and it's ridiculous how teachers don't assign any value to job security cheap benefits or their pensions. They want to directly compare their salaries to the average salaries of their neighbors and most of their neighbors can be fired with very little effort don't have pensions waiting for them at all and their benefits are more expensive
I mean I happen to be retired military but if a teacher wants to compare their salary to the person sitting next to me who definitely makes more than a teacher does then the teacher at least needs to consider the fact that the person who sits next to me pays at least twice as much for his family medical insurance and has no pension at all. And if he's a contractor he can be let go tomorrow on the say-so of like one person
I mean I happen to be retired military but if a teacher wants to compare their salary to the person sitting next to me who definitely makes more than a teacher does then the teacher at least needs to consider the fact that the person who sits next to me pays at least twice as much for his family medical insurance and has no pension at all. And if he's a contractor he can be let go tomorrow on the say-so of like one person
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:10 pm to ShortyRob
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teachers don't assign any value to job security cheap benefits or their pensions
Not just teachers but most people in govt/ industry where the same perks are granted. It seems to be human nature to ignore these benefits because in most cases they can never be taken away so they feel entitled, kinda like welfare recipients. It seems to be the same phenomenon.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:11 pm to ShortyRob
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But right now, if you're short Calculus teachers because they need more pay, the ONLY way to do this is an across the board raise even for the teachers who you are having NO TROUBLE FINDING at current numbers
That's not exactly true either. There are ways to get certain teachers money through creative methods like stipends, etc. And a number of school systems (not so much in LA) have what are essentially bonus programs in place for STEM teachers.
It would be much easier for everyone, though, if teachers were allowed to negotiate their own salary.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:14 pm to ShortyRob
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The "alternative paths" are comical in many places. I wanted to teach after my military service but the arse pain involved was absurd.
So now, I just make multiples of what I would have made teaching. Yet, to go into teaching, I'd have to spend a shite ton for no fricking reason.
I know in our district, it's a month of "classes" in the summer, followed by a class a week during the school year, followed by 2 weeks of classes the second summer.
There is no charge for the program. However, you don't get paid the first summer, which blows monkey balls.
Now, I have a friend that was thinking of getting into teaching, he gets laid off and gets 12 weeks severance, so it worked out perfectly. Not everyone is like that, of course.
You don't get paid any "extra" for the classes during the year or your second summer, but you are on salary at that point.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:16 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
I doubt it goes above $80K though. The BLS says NATIONALLY, the median weekly earnings for someone with an undergrad degree is 60,996. You see, the Miss median vs the national median is 77%. So, 70% x 60,996=46,992.
My guess is that national median is drug down by lib arts majors working at Starbucks.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:17 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
VERY FEW people who make really good money are confined to 40 hrs. Teachers would find that my neighbor who works at Boeing works a shite ton of hours and that doesn't count the fact he brings his computer home with him most days
And teachers (I live with one) work more than 40 hours a lot of weeks as well (of course, they have weeks with 0 hours).
Just break them all down to an hourly rate and see where it ends up.
Posted on 6/20/19 at 4:21 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
This is actually a key point.
If teacher's SALARIES were the problem, good school districts wouldn't be able to hire good school teachers. Alas, they ARE able.
So. SALARY isn't the primary driver of the problem.
Let's say you are in "in-demand" electrician. You want to work for a company and not on your own.
Company one will pay you $30/hr and all of their jobs are in air conditioned office buildings in downtown areas.
Company two will pay you $30.50/hr, and all of your jobs are working on buildings located in the housing projects and in very high-crime areas.
Which would you choose?
Now, change the number in the second example to $35/hr, or 40/hr, or $45/hr, etc... does that change your mind?
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