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re: I am 100% convinced that modern "conservative" media is a psyop run by Dems
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:16 pm to SDVTiger
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:16 pm to SDVTiger
quote:Yeah. Was he lying then, or lying later? You choose.
during a Miami event. Instead he endorsed his re-election.
“You’re going to re-elect Ron DeSantis as Governor of your state,” he said, finally endorsing after months of narrative suggesting Trump and DeSantis were at odds.
We get it. Everything Trump says comes with an expiration date. At least he’s not some lying, vascillating politician.
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:17 pm to TigerDoc
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But for most things relevant to politics that might pertain to "psyops", they're things you can believe in without much evidence when there's a plausible alternative with evidence.
Ok, so relevant to politics, what’s an example of this?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:17 pm to GumboPot
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Dude...
I get it now! Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:18 pm to SDVTiger
quote:So you were deflecting from Trumps actual words and actions? K, got it!
No im just stating its another liberal rag that Desantis twitter influencers love, who have now vowed to destroy Trumps chances of winning
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:20 pm to David_DJS
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I'm rather used to inanity in these here parts.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:41 pm to Flats
Here's attitude associations those political scientists found with intuitionism (positive being the higher your measured intuitionism, the more likely you are to have a favor the issue, negative meaning you're more likely to oppose if you're highly intuitionist):
When you cluster intuitionists together and foster a culture of DYOR, you get people vibing off each other and going some funky places. What has shrunk down that used to have a proud tradition was the conservative rationalist, but those sorts don't appear much here.
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(+)ethnocentrism
(+)hostility to immigrants
(+)anti-science attitudes
(+)intolerance of civil liberties
(+)banning GMO's*
(+)natural medicine*
(-)vaccines*
(-)free speech
(-)tolerance of opposing viewpoints
(-)compromise
When you cluster intuitionists together and foster a culture of DYOR, you get people vibing off each other and going some funky places. What has shrunk down that used to have a proud tradition was the conservative rationalist, but those sorts don't appear much here.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:49 pm to Taxing Authority
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Yeah. Was he lying then, or lying later? You choose.
Its always an excuse
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:14 pm to TigerDoc
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political scientists
Ok, so you can cut & paste a generic “conservatives are bad” list (that I don’t accept anyway) , but you’ve yet to tie any of it to conspiracy theories. Why would a Muslim be more likely to believe Oswald didn’t act alone vs an atheist?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:20 pm to Flats
because people differ with respect to how much evidence they need to profess certain beliefs. For atheists who have a high sense of epistemic responsibility, they're more inclined to hold off belief in a CT that has inadequate evidence. These are of course generalizations. There will be many exceptions across huge populations.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:25 pm to TigerDoc
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For atheists who have a high sense of epistemic responsibility, they're more inclined to hold off belief in a CT that has inadequate evidence.
Bull
shite
It’s as if you’ve been in a coma for 7 years. Atheists are like theists and agnostics; they have worldviews and the likelihood of believing something is directly tied to how much it meshes with beliefs they already have.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:38 pm to Flats
Do you not think that atheists are over-sorted into the left coalition?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:42 pm to Fun Bunch
Trump used to be a democrat too and he is the reason Biden got elected. I think you're onto something!
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:49 pm to TigerDoc
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Do you not think that atheists are over-sorted into the left coalition?
Sure, they probably are. So?
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:55 pm to Flats
That's the flip-side of the Enchanted America thesis. The parties are over-sorted and it explains some of the increased animosity, mutual failure to understand the other side, etc.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:07 pm to TigerDoc
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The parties are over-sorted and it explains some of the increased animosity, mutual failure to understand the other side, etc.
Not sure what that has to do with your “intuitive” thesis, but ok. I don’t disagree with it.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:21 pm to Flats
My point from the start was to point out the sorting as being part of the reason why these left-wing grifters end up appealing to conservatives - it's like the bank robber who said "because that's where the money is" when asked why he robs banks. The conservative coalition has a disproportionate number of people who these vibes-based messages appeal to. They don't appeal to people who defer regularly to CDC recommendations. It would make for healthier politics and tamp down conflict if the left coalition took some of the intuitionists and the right took some rationalists.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:40 pm to TigerDoc
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My point from the start
I know what it was, you’ve just done nothing to demonstrate that it’s true. Those guys are successful for the same reason Fox News was successful; the other side already had echo chambers coming out of its arse. It has nothing to do with one side being more susceptible to bullshite artists than the other.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 5:53 pm to Flats
One thing that was interesting from that line of research which they did around the time of the '16 primaries was they measured the association between intuitionism and which primary candidates were preferred.
People at the time were talking about how Bernie and Trump appealed to some of the same voters, but this is a personality dimension where they really varied. Intuitionists loved Trump and hated Bernie.
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(--)Bernie Sanders
(-)Hillary Clinton
(neutral)Marco Rubio
(+)Ted Cruz
(+)Dennis Kucinich
(++)Ben Carson
(+++)Donald Trump
People at the time were talking about how Bernie and Trump appealed to some of the same voters, but this is a personality dimension where they really varied. Intuitionists loved Trump and hated Bernie.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:02 pm to TigerDoc
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line of research
Research by political/social “scientists”. If that earlier list is theirs, they’re part of the grifter class you’re talking about. You just can’t see it.
Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:03 pm to Flats
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