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re: Hunter Biden Lawyers Impersonating Congressional Staff to Remove Derogatory Evidence

Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:52 am to
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:52 am to
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Since when can one party simply CALL the clerk of court and have a legal filing removed?


When they didn’t think the clerk would be a motormouth unsympathetic to the cause and the documents could then be sealed masking the withdrawal.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2875 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:54 am to
If that doesn’t get you disbarred, I don’t know what does.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:56 am to
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I am not forgetting it. I am simply thinking that it is unlikely to have happened.


Would you say the likelihood is more or less than 100:1?
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
23173 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:56 am to
The lawyers are almost as shady as their client.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:58 am to
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I’m sorry to inform you board attorneys…. But the profession of law is no longer the bastion of ethics and integrity some of you still view it as.

That title now belongs to us accountants.


Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 8:59 am to
My assessment of witness credibility always rests on a single question:

Who has the motivation to lie?

Why on earth would the clerk have made up a phone call with the lawyer for the ways and means committee? If she was concerned enough to report it to the judge-spurring this show cause order - what does she get out of lying?

The paralegal submitting a (non affidavit) isn’t going to lose her law license for telling a lie to keep her job.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:01 am to
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Assuming this disposable paralegal is telling the truth, the correct procedure is to file a Motion to Seal.


Not a paralegal. This is a supervisor at the firm and licensed atty.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:03 am to
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Why on earth would the clerk have made up a phone call with the lawyer for the ways and means committee?
I don’t think she is lying at all. I think that the names of both firms were mentioned in the initial conversation, the initial conversation was with a different clerk, and information got jumbled in the process of being transmitted from one Clerk to another. A miscommunication. You can certainly disagree, but I think that explanation is far more likely than the notion that a licensed attorney attempted to defraud the court by pretending to be an attorney for the opponent … using her real name and real phone number..
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If she was concerned enough to report it to the judge
that is not the sequence of events. The GOP council received word that his pleading had been withdrawn, and he communicated with the court. The judge then sought out and interviewed the clerk.
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The paralegal submitting a (non affidavit) isn’t going to lose her law license for telling a lie to keep her job.
Bengels is a licensed NY attorney.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476991 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:04 am to
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Why on earth would the clerk have made up a phone call with the lawyer for the ways and means committee?

It's possible the clerk made a huge mistake and then played the "oh she misrepresented herself" card.

CLEARLY someone goofed and they're blaming their goof on others. It's going to go in circles.

Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17488 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:07 am to
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When they didn’t think the clerk would be a motormouth unsympathetic to the cause and the documents could then be sealed masking the withdrawal.


What is sad is this has probably happened in a very similar way in courts that has clerks that would happily withdraw the documents just to “get them” because the other counsel didn’t have the right ideals.

“That other guy donated to the wrong party! Hell yea I’ll pull this information if it helps him and it’s going to be sealed anyway. They deserve it.”

There hasn’t been any recent sanctions levied against guilty parties that would make someone second think this.

Yes I know I replied to myself. I’m expanding the thought.



This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:08 am
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:07 am to
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the last thing you want to do is get crossways with a judge’s staff.
Truer words have never been spoken
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
17300 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:08 am to
Right - she made a goof so bad she went to the judge about it and lied to him?

I smell bullshite, none of which is cleared up by this non lawyer witness affidavit.

Maybe it was an honest misunderstanding, but I find it very weird under these circumstances they subjected their paralegal to penalty of perjury and the lawyers themselves did not submit a pleading. That reeks to me.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:08 am to
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well, it would appear that the court simply interviewed her assistant clerk and took her side without hearing controverting evidence. It is what it is.


In other words, the asst clerk said what happened, and the court is now asking the firm to explain why it happened.

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To me, the most probative evidence is the fact that this staffer at Latham provided her real name and her real phone number. If she were doing something nefarious, she would not have done that. As such, I consider a miscommunication to be the most plausible explanation for this kerfuffle


Your kind of proving the case for plausible deniability. If you really wanted there to be no confusion, you would reduce the request to writing.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167515 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:12 am to
MSM headlines all say it is a misunderstanding as if they are lawyers for Hunter.

Go read what Turley thinks via Miranda Devine

The hearing is ongoing at 10AM Eastern.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:14 am to
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It's possible the clerk made a huge mistake and then played the "oh she misrepresented herself" card.


But what mistake was made?

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She, nor anyone with Hunter's firm, have any business asking for info to be removed,


You said this quote was wrong, and it was appropriate for the phone call to be made and don’t seem to have provided the appropriate action by either the defense or clerk.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
167515 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:15 am to
Hunter Biden arriving at the Court House Probably a little before 10AM Eastern
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:15 am to
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I smell bullshite, none of which is cleared up by this non lawyer witness affidavit.


She is a lawyer
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:15 am to
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Go read what Turley thinks
OK
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The entire matter could be a misunderstanding, but the clerk clearly did not think so.
A court clerk with a little god complex? I have NEVER run into one of those (cough, cough, cough).
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23219 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:17 am to
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A court clerk with a little god complex? I have NEVER run into one of those


Ok, so you can make assumptions about the clerk, but making assumptions about the other side is not appropriate?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 7/26/23 at 9:18 am to
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I smell bullshite, none of which is cleared up by this non lawyer witness affidavit.
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She is a lawyer

I like Wednesday, and she is very bright, but she is just MANGLING the facts of this series of events.
This post was edited on 7/26/23 at 9:21 am
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