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re: HR 82 - Social Security Fairness Act
Posted on 12/21/24 at 6:49 am to wallowinit
Posted on 12/21/24 at 6:49 am to wallowinit
My issue with the problem is that this bill is that it could have been a Social Security reform bill and raise the bar on earning Social Security benefits.
One thing I would have done is increase the number of quarters needed to become eligible for Social Security benefits. I would have also raised the income required to be considered a quarter to something like 10k per quarter, it only took 6,300 in income to make 4 quarters in 2023.
Under the current rules, it takes 40 quarters and you can earn 4 quarters per year. That means you are Social Security eligible after working 10 years. If you increased that to 80 or 100 quarters, that would increase the number of years you need to work to become eligible for benefits.
So if you make it more difficult to qualify, the GPO and WEP fix themselves by making it harder to qualify for both. It would also make it harder for immigrants to qualify now that you need more quarters to qualify. Let’s face it, some of the social security trust fund is now going across the border to Mexico for migrants that turned 62 after they came over and worked for 10 years picking vegetables.
Wholesale changes to the quarter system, could help stabilize the fund, by making it more difficult to become eligible without having to change retirement ages.
It also ensures that if you want to play the game for both Social Security and a pension that either it is for spousal benefits or you physically worked in both the private and government sectors for a long enough time to put skin in the game for both.
But congrats to Graves and Cassidy for pushing this through. My mom got hit with this. Years ago my mom retired with a school pension. My dad passed away and she couldn’t collect his full social security benefit.
One thing I would have done is increase the number of quarters needed to become eligible for Social Security benefits. I would have also raised the income required to be considered a quarter to something like 10k per quarter, it only took 6,300 in income to make 4 quarters in 2023.
Under the current rules, it takes 40 quarters and you can earn 4 quarters per year. That means you are Social Security eligible after working 10 years. If you increased that to 80 or 100 quarters, that would increase the number of years you need to work to become eligible for benefits.
So if you make it more difficult to qualify, the GPO and WEP fix themselves by making it harder to qualify for both. It would also make it harder for immigrants to qualify now that you need more quarters to qualify. Let’s face it, some of the social security trust fund is now going across the border to Mexico for migrants that turned 62 after they came over and worked for 10 years picking vegetables.
Wholesale changes to the quarter system, could help stabilize the fund, by making it more difficult to become eligible without having to change retirement ages.
It also ensures that if you want to play the game for both Social Security and a pension that either it is for spousal benefits or you physically worked in both the private and government sectors for a long enough time to put skin in the game for both.
But congrats to Graves and Cassidy for pushing this through. My mom got hit with this. Years ago my mom retired with a school pension. My dad passed away and she couldn’t collect his full social security benefit.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 12/21/24 at 6:50 am to Shaun176
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Or a retired school teacher's husband dies and they can't get the widows benefit because they have a pension
Why should a person get this benefit?? We must find a way to keep SS solvent and I don’t understand why SS pays money to people who never put into the system.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:02 am to NC_Tigah
But he managed to put that carrot out there and deem it for the good of the people. It wasn’t till 40 years later that the carrot was discovered to be a stick to beat us with. My father was a prime example of this as when he started to pay into his contribution was like a dollar per check. When he retired in the late 70’s he was getting 1200.00 or so a month. It worked out well for him and his fellow age group as they received more in the first year of retirement than paid in total contributions. Now anyone that paid into from early age until say 65 would need to live into their 80’s to have a shot at collecting back. I was able to collect at 62 & 10 months as it had already “retired “ and wasn’t going to wait 3 more years just to get the extra money of full compensation. The difference between what was full and what was considered partial would have taken 11 years to break even if I waited till 65 1/2 years. My children will never see a dime of their contributions 30 years from now
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:09 am to BigApple
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Why should a person get this benefit?
Are you asking WHY a person or spouse of a person GET the money they paid into SS?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:14 am to Dock Holiday
Paid in for 20 years. Paid into Medicare my whole working career and will still have to pay premiums on part B when I am eligible. What is not fair is those who get SSI and Medicaid who are able to work, but have leared to manipulated the system.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:47 am to tommy2tone1999
These goooooooooooooooberment employee retirement pensions will be the death to America. They have no shame and knew, when they took their job, they would not receive SS benefit but a healthy gooooooooby pension.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:49 am to tommy2tone1999
I don’t have to read the SS “Fairness” Act to understand the government is fricking me somehow.
“Patriot” Act
“Inflation Reduction” Act
The titles give away everything
“Patriot” Act
“Inflation Reduction” Act
The titles give away everything
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:50 am to Timeoday
I’m a conservative!!!
Gimme all my money and everyone else’s too!
Gimme all my money and everyone else’s too!
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:51 am to jmon
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Are you asking WHY a person or spouse of a person GET the money they paid into SS?
Yes. Why should I get money that a deceased person put into the system??
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:57 am to wfallstiger
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believe it seeks to extend the benefit to those who paid into the system but were not allowed to draw because of retirement nuances within particular sectors....I could be totally wrong on this, teachers in Texas as an example.
You are correct.
It allows people that paid into it, like I did while working through high school the military and private sector before switching over to a state govt job to collect from what we put in.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 7:57 am to Timeoday
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These goooooooooooooooberment employee retirement pensions will be the death to America. They have no shame and knew, when they took their job, they would not receive SS benefit but a healthy gooooooooby pension.
Hmmm. So, let’s look at it another way. Currently, between me and my employer, we put in around 42k per year in contributions to my “healthy goooooooby pension”. So we are funding that, healthily. I also have my 40 quarters, plus some.
I’ll make you a deal. I’ll just keep putting in alllllll that money into my gooooooby retirement, and you refund me all the money I’ve paid into social security, in addition to never having to put any more money into it in the future, and we’ll call it even. Deal?
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:00 am to tommy2tone1999
I’m so glad this passed. My wife is retired from the state and I’m nearing retirement. My health hasn’t been great the last couple of years. If this had not passed she wouldn’t get but a small percentage of my SS . She also worked in the private sector and wasn’t able to draw With this passing it gives me piece of mind that she would be ok if I passed away
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:15 am to BowDownToLSU
It’s mind boggling to me that retired people actually depend on SS checks to survive. I know it happens but it’s crazy to me.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:15 am to dwr353
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Incorrect. I paid into SS for 25 years and my cost was over $300,000. Do you think I am getting something I did not earn?
No. You are getting something you aren't paying for.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:15 am to Gee Grenouille
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My mom spent zero days working in the private sector. She paid into the La teachers retirement fund. Now somehow she’s going to get social security.
No she isn’t. This only affects people who have at least 40 quarters paid into social security. If you have 39 or less you still aren’t eligible for social security retirement just like everyone else in the county.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:16 am to BigApple
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Or a retired school teacher's husband dies and they can't get the widows benefit because they have a pension
Why should a person get this benefit?? We must find a way to keep SS solvent and I don’t understand why SS pays money to people who never put into the system.
Tell me you are single , never married without telling me your single and never married.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:31 am to Gee Grenouille
Is she getting spousal or survivor benefits from your dad? Previously, she would not get anything.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:33 am to GrizzlyAlloy
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What do you think about SSI payments?
Full of fraud and a prime target for DOGE.
Posted on 12/21/24 at 8:37 am to Nosevens
I was classified as an independent contractor I paid both the employees and owners portion. Not 7&1/2%, just under 15%. $300000 is correct. I have a relative that is a retired schoolteacher. Her husband worked for an oil company. He was drawing $2900 a month or so of SS. He died shortly after retiring. Her survivor’s benefit dropped to $851 a month. How is that fair? Bill passed. Happy it did.
This post was edited on 12/21/24 at 8:44 am
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