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re: How many times must boomer Republicans learn. (Black Vote)

Posted on 8/29/23 at 7:46 am to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37270 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 7:46 am to
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But what are there options?

Don’t hijack the entire legislative process with pandering bullshite, for starters.

If you want to not care about the media or Democrats or the public, win bigger majorities and stop nominating retards in competitive races.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 7:48 am
Posted by RoyalWe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2018
4934 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 8:17 am to
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Either govern just like Democrats and hope the media leaves them alone, or be in opposition (what their voters want) and get attacked by the media.
I actually might be in favor of taking a Scott Adam's approach for Republicans to "go Democrat" only harder. Let's burn this bitch down quick so we can get through the civil war, famine, and accompanying pestilence to get back to critical thinkers running things.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
5896 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 8:22 am to
Cause they go where the free money is. Until that culture changes it won't change.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 8:40 am to
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Don’t hijack the entire legislative process


I could only wish. We all know how it really goes, the Republicans capitulate to the Democrats every time and never the other way.

I always laugh when people bitch about gridlock. That is how it is supposed to work, that is why we are supposed to have seperate, "but equal" branches of government. They balance eachother out through competing interests. The idea of the branches of government being in unison on any idea should be terrifying.

An ideal government would look like cane beatings taking place on the chamber floor, as opposed to kumbaya sessions.

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If you want to not care about the media or Democrats or the public, win bigger majorities


The whole point is it is impossible to win bigger majorities with the current media apparatus, and also the size, stupidity, and selfishness of the electorate.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37270 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 9:25 am to
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That is how it is supposed to work

No, it is not supposed to be perpetual gridlock. What nonsense .

It is supposed to be cumbersome, forcing compromise and incremental policy movements to avoid swinging wildly back and forth.

Partisan gridlock and running perpetual election campaigns while abdicating all governance to unelected executive bureaucrats hasn't worked out all that well for us.

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The whole point is it is impossible to win bigger majorities with the current media apparatus, and also the size, stupidity, and selfishness of the electorate.

Also nonsense. The only portion of the electorate that is holding back Congressional Republicans are Republicans primary voters. For two straight elections now the GOP should was poised for large victories and majorities in both chambers, only to fall short because primary voters chose idiots instead of electable candidates.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 9:28 am
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 12:43 pm to
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electable candidates.


I need you to provide examples of what you consider "electable" canidates.

If by electable, you just mean Democrat-lite, primary voters (including myself) aren't going to have any interest in voting for them. In many ways, we are better off with a Democrat in that seat that can receieve the full brunt of opposition, as opposed to an enemy inside the castle walls.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
10501 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 12:45 pm to
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No, it is not supposed to be perpetual gridlock


Name me an instance in the last 20 years you can think of the Democrats moving to the right for a conservative issue supported by Republicans in the name of "bi-partisanship". Name me just one instance.

I can name many instances where Republicans have caved. Yet Republicans are constantly labeled as unwilling to negotiate or compromise. All they mean by compromising is Republicans having to capitulate and give away everything to the Dems.
This post was edited on 8/29/23 at 12:48 pm
Posted by CAPEX
Member since Dec 2022
918 posts
Posted on 8/29/23 at 6:36 pm to
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Doesn't mean it shouldn't have happened, but the black narrative these days is that black people being incarcerated is solely the product of a white supremacist system. Joe Biden was a major cog in the wheel of that specific system.


This may be your opinion that incarceration is solely the product of a white supremacist system but it certainly isn't the average Black Democrat voter's opinion.

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Second, there is no bigger single example of someone being The Man in the context of a supposed white supremacist system keeping black people down than that crime bill. Not since the Civil Rights Act, anyway. There are Democrats (ostensibly) seriously discussing reparations for stuff that happened 200 years ago. But Joe Biden putting Boyz In Tha Hood in prison and throwing away the key is obsolete because it happened in the 90s?


Republicans also voted for the crime bill so I'm not sure how this supports your point.


But Black people certainly don't believe that the crime bill was somehow a product of white supremacy.

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I agree that they don't see it that way, but they don't see it that way because their perception is the truth. They see it that way because they've been sold lies. And not by Republicans.


And this is exactly one reason why Black people and other minorities don't vote for Republicans.

Instead of acknowledging where you go wrong as a party, you instead suggest voters are being tricked.



Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20114 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:20 am to
Rand Paul would win alot of black votes. Mike Pence wouldn't.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
20114 posts
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:25 am to
I remember when Rand got alot of buzz visiting HBCUs, etc. GOP like Ted Cruz, and Paul Ryan said they were going to follow suit. I'm still waiting for them to follow Rand's example.
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