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How many Congressmen are MAGA and how many are GOPe?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:39 pm
I’m trying to run out this thought exercise of a Patriot Party being started by Trump.
As it stands today, how many Reps and Senators would you classify as aligning with the MAGA/ Patriot Party and how many would you classify as GOPe?
I’m thinking the split may make things worse for both the GOPe and Patriot Party in the near future, but I could see a scenario where the parties eventually coalesce around their priorities and begin to find common ground on things to work on.
The entire legislative process will be upended if a viable third party arises; how do you think that will play out? Assume the third party is Patriot Party/ Trump.
As it stands today, how many Reps and Senators would you classify as aligning with the MAGA/ Patriot Party and how many would you classify as GOPe?
I’m thinking the split may make things worse for both the GOPe and Patriot Party in the near future, but I could see a scenario where the parties eventually coalesce around their priorities and begin to find common ground on things to work on.
The entire legislative process will be upended if a viable third party arises; how do you think that will play out? Assume the third party is Patriot Party/ Trump.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:40 pm
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Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:41 pm to boosiebadazz
For example, I can see a Patriot Party and GOPe pushing an anti-abortion agenda and I can see the Patriot Party and Dems pushing an American Worker first, anti-big business agenda. GOPe and Dems may do something on immigration while Patriot Party objects.
I think the triangulation instead of polarity would be fascinating to watch unfold.
How do you see it playing out?
I think the triangulation instead of polarity would be fascinating to watch unfold.
How do you see it playing out?
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:43 pm to boosiebadazz
I doubt there will be a serious 3rd party, but if it does happen it’s just going to insure Dems will win future elections.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:43 pm to boosiebadazz
I doubt if there's a single Senator who wouldn't be perfectly fine if Donald Trump never existed.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:44 pm to boosiebadazz
I have thought the most expedient way to impact is takeover the Republican Party. Seeing how the leadership is acting, I am no longer convinced that represents as the best route. There is failure in staying and failure with a 3rd party. Either route will take years to enact meaningful change.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:44 pm to boosiebadazz
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I’m trying to run out this thought exercise of a Patriot Party being started by Trump.
Trump doesn't do tear downs. He's a renovator. There will be no Patriot Party.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:49 pm to boosiebadazz
The problem with a third party is sustainability between election cycles.
The GOP and Democrats are sustain in between election cycles by big corporate donations. During the election cycles is when they get many small donations from the people and that is about the only time a third party such as the Patriot Party can accumulate money.
A new Patriot Party won't get big corporate donations because the principles of the Patriot Party are antithetical to corporate wants and needs (one way trade and cheap labor).
The GOP and Democrats are sustain in between election cycles by big corporate donations. During the election cycles is when they get many small donations from the people and that is about the only time a third party such as the Patriot Party can accumulate money.
A new Patriot Party won't get big corporate donations because the principles of the Patriot Party are antithetical to corporate wants and needs (one way trade and cheap labor).
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:56 pm to GumboPot
I think that’s a good point, but if Trump got 75 million votes and let’s say 50 million will follow him to his new party. If 50 million gave $20, that’s $1 billion dollars. That’s more than enough to sustain a party and support candidates in off years.
I obviously understand you won’t get 100% participation but the numbers of small donors are there that you really can rack up a war chest. Especially because these particular donors are pissed off at the status quo and trying to change it.
I obviously understand you won’t get 100% participation but the numbers of small donors are there that you really can rack up a war chest. Especially because these particular donors are pissed off at the status quo and trying to change it.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:07 pm to boosiebadazz
Do you think that Trump supporters will GameStop the GOPe? That would be epic.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:11 pm to boosiebadazz
We should've had at least 5+ major political parties decades ago.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:11 pm to Jyrdis
MAGA's with the GOPe are already a minority party. Split them and Dems will win elections in places where Dems now have little chance.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:21 pm to GeorgeWest
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Dems will win elections in places where Dems now have little chance.
i.e. places where rigged elections are not the norm.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:26 pm to weptiger
Really have to stay GOP thru the 2022 midterms in order to primary the turncoat bastards already in office. If 2022 goes well, I'd say they should start to take another look at it then.
But at a minimum, we have to primary the bastards in 2022.
But at a minimum, we have to primary the bastards in 2022.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:27 pm to boosiebadazz
Looks like a Democrat Uptrend...
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:28 pm to KCT
But how do you organize the money to the challengers if the national party apparatus is not on board?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:29 pm to jimbeam
It really is a cool chart.
Look at that 1912 Congress with the Bull Moose Party. Probably the closest thing we’ve come to a true three party system.
Look at that 1912 Congress with the Bull Moose Party. Probably the closest thing we’ve come to a true three party system.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:29 pm to Mickey Goldmill
You must be giddy at the thought of a one party state
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:32 pm to NIH
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You must be giddy at the thought of a one party state
Not in the least. I’m not a big fan of one party control all levels of government like we have now.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:34 pm to boosiebadazz
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But how do you organize the money to the challengers if the national party apparatus is not on board?
I personally don't need anybody to spend 10 cents trying to convince me how swampy 75% of the GOPe incumbents are. There are millions more like me who already know what needs to be done.
Hillary outspent Trump by a wide margin. It doesn't always come down to money.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:38 pm to boosiebadazz
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Look at that 1912 Congress with the Bull Moose Party.
The Bull Moose/Progressive Party had a minuscule impact on Congress. That chart is showing popular vote in POTUS elections.
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