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re: How is abortion ban not going to cause spike in Crime
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:51 pm to TutHillTiger
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:51 pm to TutHillTiger
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Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Unlike you, I will keep this discussion on an adult level.
Which is why I called you stupid, you have no fricking clue.
There's no ban to comment on, dumbass
YOU are not thinking about a "ban," and the draft opinion does not implement a federal ban. Intelligent people understand these facts without having to repeatedly mention them in every abortion thread.
But there ARE bans still on the books in a number of states (unenforceable at the moment due to Roe), and the 15-week and heartbeat bills are a de facto ban, whether you want to admit it or not. If the draft opinion becomes law, there will be de facto bans covering about half the population of the country, and people want to discuss that issue as well as the draft opinion.
Some people are capable of jumping straight to those issues without drawing a roadmap in every post.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:57 pm to TutHillTiger
If you want genuine discussion you're gonna need to start by taking the word "ban" out of your title. That's inaccurate at best.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 2:58 pm to Jake88
quote:LBJ and the Great Society. We can certainly discuss whether abortion should be treated as part of that (Roe came 5 years after LBJ left office), but the negative effects of the Great Society live-on, and there is a strong correlation as discussed in the OP.
Why was crime relatively low before abortion? Why is crime on the rise now?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:02 pm to Zach
quote:Zach is usually more honest than this. The DRAFT OPINION does not create a ban, but Zach is certainly aware that a dozen states (mas o menos) will implement bans and near-bans about 15 seconds after that opinion becomes official. Zach understands that about half the population will live in jurisdictions where abortion is fully- or effectively-illegal, because Zach is a bright guy.
How is abortion ban.quote:
No one is banning abortion.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:04 pm to AggieHank86
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Which has zero relevance to the question presented in the OP.
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How is abortion ban not going to cause spike in Crime
There won't be a "ban". So the fact there isn't and won't be an abortion ban is highly relevant.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:09 pm to AggieHank86
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Zach is usually more honest than this. The DRAFT OPINION does not create a ban, but Zach is certainly aware that a dozen states (mas o menos) will implement bans and near-bans about 15 seconds after that opinion becomes officia. Zach understands that about half the population will live in jurisdictions where abortion is fully- or effectively-illegal, because Zach is a bright guy.
I was being totally honest. If half the states ban abortion there will be no one denied an abortion. That means it is not banned. Travel expenses for the poor who want abortions are already in the works by corporate health insurance policies and state subsidies. Anyone who wants an abortion will be able to get one.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:11 pm to AggieHank86
if people from Texas and Mississippi can figure out how to get to Colorado or Illinois to buy weed, don't you think they can do the same thing to kill their baby?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:16 pm to TutHillTiger
Murder to prevent murder.
It's so simple, it's almost genius.
It's so simple, it's almost genius.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:18 pm to TutHillTiger
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How is abortion ban not going to cause spike in Crime
You know what, if we banned all cars, we’d greatly reduce automobile deaths!
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:21 pm to Rebel
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This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:27 pm to redneck hippie
quote:and proven false
this was covered in Freakonomics
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:35 pm to AggieHank86
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half the population will live in jurisdictions where abortion is fully- or effectively-illegal, because Zach is a bright guy.
Another estrogen ridden fairy already afraid of things that havent come to pass, so you make up stuff to support your fabricated fairy tales.
You people are so fricking dishonest, or the most retarded people on the planet. Why do you progs constantly cry about shite that clearly only exists in your tiny head.
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:46 pm to j1897
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How does banning abortion help with either of those. If anything, in poor red states where it will be outlawed, they will both get colossally worse.
Abortion is a product of the degradation of society and the devaluation of human life.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:51 pm to dcrews
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The responsibility is on the families/communities to fix this issue.
Let me guess, you're a boomer. Families/communities don't fix shite in case you haven't noticed.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:53 pm to j1897
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Let me guess, you're a boomer. Families/communities don't fix shite in case you haven't noticed.
let me guess you’re a millennial and think the magical government can fix society
Posted on 5/9/22 at 3:57 pm to j1897
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Let me guess, you're a boomer. Families/communities don't fix shite in case you haven't noticed.
It sure isn't the responsibility of taxpayers.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 4:04 pm to TutHillTiger
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Let’s just skip the political argument over abortion, (Southern Conservative 3rd Generation Republican primarily because i understand the law of unintended consequences, typically with democrats social programs, but know enough to distrust government with anything. )
But it has been studied extensively and it’s really clear, at least to me from reviewing the data that making abortion illegal will lead to a serious spike in crime rate. It seems problematic to me that states with the highest rates of poor minorities almost all passed abortion bans.
About half the people that have abortions are below poverty line, with 75% at or just slightly above poverty line, so let’s be real vast majority of abortions are for poor people. Majority already have children, so we can safely predict that 75% of the unwanted children that will be born will be to poor families who will struggle to raise them, and likely get government assistance etc. (Like you didn’t already know this…..)
And somehow this increase in the population of unwanted kids into this crime plaqued demographic isn’t going to result into a huge increase in the crime rate and social spending.
Ok I am game, how is this going to happen? Jesus is going to come by and teach them all about love and compassion? How is this not going to happen???
The point you are making justifies genocide.
You can't ignore the argument. Abortion is either something you are ok with in society, or something you are not. There is no justification for it based on other realities (and I accept that what you say is a reality.)
But, I'm not going to pretend murder isn't murder because said murder has a positive impact financially and/or from a crime standpoint.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 4:06 pm to TutHillTiger
It absolutely will cause a spike in crime and require a massive tax increase to care for all the new kids being born.
But that’s ok though and a nonissue.
But that’s ok though and a nonissue.
Posted on 5/9/22 at 4:07 pm to rltiger
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What ban?
All it does is kick it back to the states to set their own boundaries.
I’m sure California will allow abortions 10+ days after birth.
Hopefully federally defunds planned parenthood. Let the liberals raise money and pay for that schitt.
All of this
It would be a very positive thing if those who want the option to have abortions move to states that allow abortion and vice versa.
It's a pretty decent litmus test for like minded individuals. I know I'd much prefer to live near and around people who think and believe the way that I do.
If getting rid of Roe v Wade results in massive migration between states we will have solved TWO MAJOR MAJOR issues within our country.
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