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re: How Free Trade Took Down the American Middle Class
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:06 pm to dek81572
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:06 pm to dek81572
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Middle class didn't live in 2000sqft houses in the 70's and they sure didn't have 2 brand new cars either. A big house was around 1700. We lived in a brand new house built in 72' the whole neighborhood was about the same, 1000 to 1500, ours was 1150, 3 br 1 1/2 bath with a carport. It was big enough, shower time was rough but I didn't know any different. That's what's wrong today and why everyone is broke, does a family of 4 really need 3000sqft and 2 brand new cars that each cost more than our first new house, no, but you got to keep up with the Jonses
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm not going to pretend to know all the numbers and data but just looking around at people it does seem like we all have LOTS of stuff. I grew up in a 1,400 sq ft house. It was fine. Now even with 1,800 sq ft houses I hear people saying all the time it's too small. Need more space. Right, for all the stuff they buy. Admittedly, I find myself in that situation too sometimes when thinking about what I'd like. Many people very have large houses. Vacation? We used to go to Houston to a baseball game or WaterWorld/ Astroworld, or Gulf Shores. Now so many people talk about Disney World. So ..I don't know. I can see both sides of the argument but I feel like lots of people these days have lots of amenities and "Stuff".
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Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:07 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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In short, this is a massive oversimplication of a time that wasn’t so easy
No it's not. Either a house was roughly 2.5 times of the income or it wasn't. Either it's way more now or it isn't.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:09 pm to SiriusBraveFan
The issue is this, people like HHTM, Roger, Slow mo... they all need you to believe it had to be one or the other. Roger even tried to sell the line that we would be in the dark ages had we not changed.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:10 pm to texag7
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along with people you despise (welders, pipe fitters, plant baws).
No. I wouldn't live where I do if that was true.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:11 pm to TigersHuskers
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Well SlowFlowCuck ruined this thread.
Other than people creating digressions by attacking me randomly, I've posted on topic and cited data.
Do you mean "ruined" as in "popped the bubble of the confirmation bias"?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:11 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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The data simply doesn’t agree with you
We have gone into debt, 36 trillion and counting, to:
Have the worst scholastic performance, while wasting the most for it.
Decimate our manufacturing sector
Create a service economy
And, as that great patriot Elon Musk has shown us,
a whole lot of make believe jobs based on graft and corruption.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:12 pm to BCreed1
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And you post a marxist rag too.
I can use other sources if you'd like, despite your insane characterization.
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Don't quote to us from a frickin globalist website
I have a feeling anything promoting freedom and disagreeing with your commie bullshite will be called "globalist" (or, ironically, "Marxist")
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I wouldn't live where I do if that was true.
Get back to the fry machine.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:14 pm to TigersHuskers
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Get back to the fry machine.
I'm enjoying Sunday afternoon before a week with 9 court matters over 3 days (3 tomorrow), promoting freedom because these colors don't run.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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And you post a marxist rag too.
I can use other sources if you'd like, despite your insane characterization.
I'm good.... thanks anyway.
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I have a feeling anything promoting freedom and disagreeing with your commie bullshite will be called "globalist" (or, ironically, "Marxist")
Between the 2 of us, I'm sure the board can make the determination who is what.
One posting against anything that puts Americans first vs one praising decisions that do put America first.
One of us loves our founding and the ideals, the other thinks everybody prior to FDR was communist because "tariffs bad".
You are a moron.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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promoting freedom because these colors don't run.
You are not. You are promoting world not the USA. You have no issues building up enemies at our own expense because you purchased a lie... hook and sinker.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:18 pm to BCreed1
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Between the 2 of us, I'm sure the board can make the determination who is what.
Someone taking your position was literally arguing Marx, in this thread.
The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
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One posting against anything that puts Americans first vs one praising decisions that do put America first.
I'm discussing freedom, not catch phrases.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:19 pm to FlyDownTheField83
Saw one of trumps guys on tv say that there is an imbalance between capital and labor right now. His claim was that to have a prosperous population labor should be getting about 50 percent of the benefit and that right now, it’s 65 percent to capital.
Back in the eighties, the president of Nissan made 40 times the average Nissan worker. Management has feathered their own nest at the expense of the American workforce since then.
And, anyone who wants to claim all of this is the result of the free market and benefits the most, be sure to explain the source and effects of legislation, regulation, tax policy, corporate capture, rigged compensation committees and compromised boards.
Back in the eighties, the president of Nissan made 40 times the average Nissan worker. Management has feathered their own nest at the expense of the American workforce since then.
And, anyone who wants to claim all of this is the result of the free market and benefits the most, be sure to explain the source and effects of legislation, regulation, tax policy, corporate capture, rigged compensation committees and compromised boards.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm enjoying Sunday afternoon before a week with 9 court matters over 3 days (3 tomorrow), promoting freedom because these colors don't run.
So you'll only make 6000 posts this week instead of your usual 15,000?
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:20 pm to RiverCityTider
From a 1000 foot view, globalism killed and is killing the middle class in America and the American dream.
The shift of American priorities to other countries over our own house.
The shift of American priorities to other countries over our own house.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:20 pm to BCreed1
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You are promoting world not the USA
No. I'm promoting the USA and the backbone of why we remain the worlds economic superpower (and lower-level manufacturing would hurt that very economy).
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You have no issues building up enemies
Trade involves 2 people and will often benefit both.
Developing countries are where you will find the economic efficiency for jobs inefficient in a modern, developed economy.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:21 pm to FOBW
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Back in the eighties, the president of Nissan made 40 times the average Nissan worker. Management has feathered their own nest at the expense of the American workforce since then.
Literal commie/union bullshite.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Someone taking your position was literally arguing Marx, in this thread.
You are a moron!
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The entire theory of making consumers pay more for goods to create manufactured efficiency for lower-level manufacturing is redistributive (aka, Marxism)
There it is! Everybody prior to FDR (who started "free trade") was marxists.
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I'm discussing freedom, not catch phrases.
No you aren't
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:24 pm to BCreed1
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No you aren't
As stated earlier, you're arguing the to each according to his needs part of the idiom.
Posted on 3/23/25 at 7:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. I'm promoting the USA and the backbone of why we remain the worlds economic superpower (and lower-level manufacturing would hurt that very economy).
No you aren't. We were the world super power in WWII... PRIOR to your communist wish list getting implemented.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Aren't you soooo proud!!
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