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re: How does pulling money from defense spending in Europe help maintain US global hegemony?

Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:50 pm to
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:50 pm to
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US global hegemony


Doesn’t exist and it’s waste of money
Posted by Jellyham
Member since Dec 2019
444 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:56 pm to
Europe needs to stand on its own feet. Sink or swim . We are in a fight to save our country from an economic disaster people want to ignore. If you want your children to live in an economic world like the depression then we can keep defending a bunch of stuck up Europeans that at their root hate us. They pretend to like Americans simply because we are dumb. We steel money from our children to pay for their defense so they can do whatever euro elites do. If you believe they actually offer the United States anything you’re nuts.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
10607 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:05 pm to
Europe is usually 1-3 years ahead of America in cultural or social trends. Americas previous administration was in the process of helping align as many countries worldwide on the same political path-Marxism. Trump and his voters don’t want world wide Marxism where our tax dollars are given to illegals. If you look at Europe, they are imprisoning citizens for complaining about their govt, and illegals raping and murdering their daughters. A Trump administration is polar opposite from what the previous admin had been grooming the rest of the new world order to become. They cannot coexist together.
Posted by Reeaholic
Moss Bluff
Member since Jun 2019
1191 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:07 pm to
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What the idiots of the board don't realize is that we didn't become a world super power by alienating our allies


That’s not at all what makes us a superpower. Our military and economy do.

Our GDP is twice that of Chinas who is 2nd. The largest European GDP is 1/8 of ours. The EU will never be totally in alignment on anything so they are really no threat.

Our military spends 877 billion a year. The next top 10 countries combined spend 829. We have the largest and 2nd largest # of aircraft’s in the world if you separate the navy and Air Force.

Informative albeit speculative video of USA vs the entire World war. Btw, I am not encouraging or would ever want us to go to any war let alone a world war, I just found the video entertaining. LINK
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 7:15 pm
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
39825 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:10 pm to
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help maintain US global hegemony

Not worth one American life or tax dollar. The poor man fights the wars and the middle class funds the treasury to fight them.
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
2235 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:10 pm to
Who gives a shite about Europe. Europe is rich and big enough where they can maintain their own defense

Unless we pull away from them, they will continue to underinvest in defense because they won’t have to. That leaves us more exposed against China. China’s naval manufacturing capacity is already so big we will never be able to catch up. We need to concentrate our assets to remain a viable deterrent from them invading Taiwan or the waterways of our allies there

Taiwan, Japan etc are simply too small to deter china on their own without us. The only reason Europeans are at risk from Russia is because of their own selfishness, they could easily have a military that would make Putin think twice, but they don’t. Peace through strength requires having strength
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 7:11 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:16 pm to
I guess I'm not seeing the US hegemony over Europe considering their move to the far left.
Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
3883 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:17 pm to
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We did it by making friends, which is why Russia and China has struggled reaching our level.


Funny how that friendship came with a price tag.
Posted by GeauxBurrow312
Member since Nov 2024
2235 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:18 pm to
They will have to cut welfare programs to pay for defense when we leave them.
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
19512 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:19 pm to
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frick Europe.

They are all woke and gay and shite.

They don’t have values like America has so we shouldn’t be giving them shite.


^^^^^
This is the correct answer


Why give them our money to defend what we are in the process of getting rid of here

frick nato and the UN too
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:21 pm to
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They will have to cut welfare programs to pay for defense when we leave them.


Exactly. They've been living off US provided welfare since WWII.
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
18361 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:22 pm to
The fact is that we sit alone over here in the Western hemisphere. If we focused everything we had on our hemisphere, nobody could ever encroach us. There are thousands of miles of ocean that seperate us from our enemies.
In the event of the worst possible happening, it would be to our benefit that Russia was closer to us
Posted by Strannix
President Trump's America
Member since Dec 2012
51301 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:23 pm to
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StringedInstruments


Posted by HeadCall
Member since Feb 2025
2389 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:25 pm to
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I guess I’m not seeing the benefit to letting Europe or China or whoever distance themselves from us with the intention of competing in military spending with us.


European leaders would get on their knees and give double BJs to Trump and Musk before paying for their own defense and distancing themselves from us.
Posted by civilag08
Member since Feb 2011
823 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:27 pm to
I think most people realize that Trump views things through a different lens. For example, the idea of creating some real estate development proposition regarding Gaza, most likely threw off just about everyone, regardless of your politics or country of origin. Don't know if that ball went out to left field, right field, center field or what, but I'd never heard of anything like that, nor apparently has Israel. I think the lens he is viewing is more business-minded that what most are used too, because he is not a career politician.

Also from the start of this year, people were gossiping various things on social media that people like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, Tim Cook and obviously Elon Musk were at his inauguration. In case you don't know, these are CEOs of some of the largest market cap companies in the world. These companies make a lot of money.

A couple days later, he went on to introduce Sam Altman and Larry Ellison, and I believe Soft Bank CEO Masayoshi Son regarding the Stargate AI investment in America. But I think it represents a way to innovative an important product in America that will compete with the rest of the technological world. Obviously the AI horse race is a week to week thing,

Just as CEO looks at ways to increase a company's earnings and revenue and reduce debt, I think the attempt is to look at ways to invest in US production, increase GDP, decrease debt to GDP by reducing spending, and I think when we see what is going on in the overall scheme and first few weeks. I think his idea of making America great again is similiar to the way a CEO would intend to increase value in his or her company or nation.

So I believe that any negotiations around Europe and the world are being viewed in a business minded fashion, just like a CEO selling off assets of their business that is not profiting or functioning well, to instead and (hopefully) focus on areas that are a better return on investments as these develop.. or as also being seen, expansion into new places, like AI, or things that haven't been explored in some time, like tariffs.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
4658 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:29 pm to
Ignorance on full display people.

Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
6790 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:23 pm to
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and be a persistent presence in global activity?


We got enough tomahawks and warthogs to accomplish that.
Posted by umrebel2009
Member since Feb 2010
7778 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:56 pm to
Imagine your neighborhood has an HOA that ensures everything is well maintained and nice and there's a monthly HOA fee for everyone to pay but instead you pay it for everyone in the neighborhood and they could all easily pay their own fee but you're paying it so why would they stop you.

Also you're doing this while you have $36 trillion of debt
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
58530 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:57 pm to
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America First makes sense but Europe seems to be calling for uniting in defense spending to ensure independence from the US.



Good.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
120533 posts
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:27 pm to
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We have given up on the hegemony plan. We can’t afford it anymore. What are you trying to argue?


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