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re: How does pulling money from defense spending in Europe help maintain US global hegemony?
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:50 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:50 pm to StringedInstruments
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US global hegemony
Doesn’t exist and it’s waste of money
Posted on 2/23/25 at 6:56 pm to StringedInstruments
Europe needs to stand on its own feet. Sink or swim . We are in a fight to save our country from an economic disaster people want to ignore. If you want your children to live in an economic world like the depression then we can keep defending a bunch of stuck up Europeans that at their root hate us. They pretend to like Americans simply because we are dumb. We steel money from our children to pay for their defense so they can do whatever euro elites do. If you believe they actually offer the United States anything you’re nuts.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:05 pm to StringedInstruments
Europe is usually 1-3 years ahead of America in cultural or social trends. Americas previous administration was in the process of helping align as many countries worldwide on the same political path-Marxism. Trump and his voters don’t want world wide Marxism where our tax dollars are given to illegals. If you look at Europe, they are imprisoning citizens for complaining about their govt, and illegals raping and murdering their daughters. A Trump administration is polar opposite from what the previous admin had been grooming the rest of the new world order to become. They cannot coexist together.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:07 pm to aero1126
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What the idiots of the board don't realize is that we didn't become a world super power by alienating our allies
That’s not at all what makes us a superpower. Our military and economy do.
Our GDP is twice that of Chinas who is 2nd. The largest European GDP is 1/8 of ours. The EU will never be totally in alignment on anything so they are really no threat.
Our military spends 877 billion a year. The next top 10 countries combined spend 829. We have the largest and 2nd largest # of aircraft’s in the world if you separate the navy and Air Force.
Informative albeit speculative video of USA vs the entire World war. Btw, I am not encouraging or would ever want us to go to any war let alone a world war, I just found the video entertaining. LINK
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:10 pm to StringedInstruments
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help maintain US global hegemony
Not worth one American life or tax dollar. The poor man fights the wars and the middle class funds the treasury to fight them.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:10 pm to StringedInstruments
Who gives a shite about Europe. Europe is rich and big enough where they can maintain their own defense
Unless we pull away from them, they will continue to underinvest in defense because they won’t have to. That leaves us more exposed against China. China’s naval manufacturing capacity is already so big we will never be able to catch up. We need to concentrate our assets to remain a viable deterrent from them invading Taiwan or the waterways of our allies there
Taiwan, Japan etc are simply too small to deter china on their own without us. The only reason Europeans are at risk from Russia is because of their own selfishness, they could easily have a military that would make Putin think twice, but they don’t. Peace through strength requires having strength
Unless we pull away from them, they will continue to underinvest in defense because they won’t have to. That leaves us more exposed against China. China’s naval manufacturing capacity is already so big we will never be able to catch up. We need to concentrate our assets to remain a viable deterrent from them invading Taiwan or the waterways of our allies there
Taiwan, Japan etc are simply too small to deter china on their own without us. The only reason Europeans are at risk from Russia is because of their own selfishness, they could easily have a military that would make Putin think twice, but they don’t. Peace through strength requires having strength
This post was edited on 2/23/25 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:16 pm to GeauxBurrow312
I guess I'm not seeing the US hegemony over Europe considering their move to the far left.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:17 pm to aero1126
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We did it by making friends, which is why Russia and China has struggled reaching our level.
Funny how that friendship came with a price tag.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:18 pm to BuckyCheese
They will have to cut welfare programs to pay for defense when we leave them.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:19 pm to FLTech
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frick Europe.
They are all woke and gay and shite.
They don’t have values like America has so we shouldn’t be giving them shite.
^^^^^
This is the correct answer
Why give them our money to defend what we are in the process of getting rid of here
frick nato and the UN too
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:21 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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They will have to cut welfare programs to pay for defense when we leave them.
Exactly. They've been living off US provided welfare since WWII.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:22 pm to StringedInstruments
The fact is that we sit alone over here in the Western hemisphere. If we focused everything we had on our hemisphere, nobody could ever encroach us. There are thousands of miles of ocean that seperate us from our enemies.
In the event of the worst possible happening, it would be to our benefit that Russia was closer to us
In the event of the worst possible happening, it would be to our benefit that Russia was closer to us
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:23 pm to StringedInstruments
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StringedInstruments

Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:25 pm to StringedInstruments
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I guess I’m not seeing the benefit to letting Europe or China or whoever distance themselves from us with the intention of competing in military spending with us.
European leaders would get on their knees and give double BJs to Trump and Musk before paying for their own defense and distancing themselves from us.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:27 pm to StringedInstruments
I think most people realize that Trump views things through a different lens. For example, the idea of creating some real estate development proposition regarding Gaza, most likely threw off just about everyone, regardless of your politics or country of origin. Don't know if that ball went out to left field, right field, center field or what, but I'd never heard of anything like that, nor apparently has Israel. I think the lens he is viewing is more business-minded that what most are used too, because he is not a career politician.
Also from the start of this year, people were gossiping various things on social media that people like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, Tim Cook and obviously Elon Musk were at his inauguration. In case you don't know, these are CEOs of some of the largest market cap companies in the world. These companies make a lot of money.
A couple days later, he went on to introduce Sam Altman and Larry Ellison, and I believe Soft Bank CEO Masayoshi Son regarding the Stargate AI investment in America. But I think it represents a way to innovative an important product in America that will compete with the rest of the technological world. Obviously the AI horse race is a week to week thing,
Just as CEO looks at ways to increase a company's earnings and revenue and reduce debt, I think the attempt is to look at ways to invest in US production, increase GDP, decrease debt to GDP by reducing spending, and I think when we see what is going on in the overall scheme and first few weeks. I think his idea of making America great again is similiar to the way a CEO would intend to increase value in his or her company or nation.
So I believe that any negotiations around Europe and the world are being viewed in a business minded fashion, just like a CEO selling off assets of their business that is not profiting or functioning well, to instead and (hopefully) focus on areas that are a better return on investments as these develop.. or as also being seen, expansion into new places, like AI, or things that haven't been explored in some time, like tariffs.
Also from the start of this year, people were gossiping various things on social media that people like Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Sundar Pichai, Tim Cook and obviously Elon Musk were at his inauguration. In case you don't know, these are CEOs of some of the largest market cap companies in the world. These companies make a lot of money.
A couple days later, he went on to introduce Sam Altman and Larry Ellison, and I believe Soft Bank CEO Masayoshi Son regarding the Stargate AI investment in America. But I think it represents a way to innovative an important product in America that will compete with the rest of the technological world. Obviously the AI horse race is a week to week thing,
Just as CEO looks at ways to increase a company's earnings and revenue and reduce debt, I think the attempt is to look at ways to invest in US production, increase GDP, decrease debt to GDP by reducing spending, and I think when we see what is going on in the overall scheme and first few weeks. I think his idea of making America great again is similiar to the way a CEO would intend to increase value in his or her company or nation.
So I believe that any negotiations around Europe and the world are being viewed in a business minded fashion, just like a CEO selling off assets of their business that is not profiting or functioning well, to instead and (hopefully) focus on areas that are a better return on investments as these develop.. or as also being seen, expansion into new places, like AI, or things that haven't been explored in some time, like tariffs.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 7:29 pm to StringedInstruments
Ignorance on full display people.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:23 pm to StringedInstruments
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and be a persistent presence in global activity?
We got enough tomahawks and warthogs to accomplish that.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:56 pm to StringedInstruments
Imagine your neighborhood has an HOA that ensures everything is well maintained and nice and there's a monthly HOA fee for everyone to pay but instead you pay it for everyone in the neighborhood and they could all easily pay their own fee but you're paying it so why would they stop you.
Also you're doing this while you have $36 trillion of debt
Also you're doing this while you have $36 trillion of debt
Posted on 2/23/25 at 8:57 pm to StringedInstruments
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America First makes sense but Europe seems to be calling for uniting in defense spending to ensure independence from the US.
Good.
Posted on 2/23/25 at 9:27 pm to OBReb6
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We have given up on the hegemony plan. We can’t afford it anymore. What are you trying to argue?
Repeated for emphasis.
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