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How does it take 72 minutes
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:18 pm
For police to stop the shooting? This guy literally laid fire from a hotel room for 36 minutes pretty much non stop.
How on Earth does the response to this take so long? I know you need precautions, maybe someone on the board knows more about crisis handling, but it is crazy. He shot for over an hour before they got to his room.
Edited for shooting time accuracy.
How on Earth does the response to this take so long? I know you need precautions, maybe someone on the board knows more about crisis handling, but it is crazy. He shot for over an hour before they got to his room.
Edited for shooting time accuracy.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 10:01 pm
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:23 pm to Gatorbait2008
Legit question.
Listen to the police scanner recording. There was a cop in the stairwell on the 32nd floor at about 25 min into the event. He broke into the chatter several times whispering he was in the stairwell and could hear shots.
Listen to the police scanner recording. There was a cop in the stairwell on the 32nd floor at about 25 min into the event. He broke into the chatter several times whispering he was in the stairwell and could hear shots.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:27 pm to Pesticide
On the scanner feed they were ordered several times to seek cover.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:27 pm to Pesticide
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How the hell can you tell where gun shots are coming from? He was around 400 yards away. Secondly when you're trying to not get your head blown off, it's not that easy to spot anyone from 400 yards. Sounds echo off buildings, people are screaming for help and anyone with a police radio is yelling on it because they want to hear themselves on the radio. Even after they determine where the shots are coming from, you don't just go running down a hotel hallway hoping you can gain entry and take out the target. It does take some planning. You do want to survive yourself while doing your job.
I would take back that first part. Considering muzzle flash is bright enough, and not every cop was inside the kill zone. So let's just go ahead and dismiss the rest, because you are pretty fricking stupid. You can tell on video where the shots are coming from, fans are yelling where they are coming from. Cops are outside of the kill zone behind cars radioing in where it's coming from.
Moron.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:28 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:I honestly have no idea a how long it should take, but I would imagine that they have to go off it so many unknowns (e.g., are there hostages, multiple shooters, bombs, multiple rooms, etc.) that it takes a lot longer than we would wish.
For police to stop the shooting?
72 minutes does seem a terrifyingly long time, but I doubt (or maybe wishful thinking) they would take any longer than they had to.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:29 pm to Pesticide
On the audio recording, an officer states that the shots were coming from the the hotel window nearly an hour before they got to his room. They could see the muzzle flashes, and there were huge busted out windows. They could have figured out his exact location in minutes with a simple pair if binoculars.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:29 pm to Gatorbait2008
Its very strange. Its an absolute disgrace that in this day in age, it would take so long to get people up there.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:29 pm to Pesticide
What I am calling bullshite on is him being accurate with an AR at that distance. I have listened to the gunshots and it sounds like a heavier weapon than an AR but I realize that sound doesn't mean much with all of thise buildings. Also, he had to be using a drum fed magazine because there was no breaknin the shooting for long bursts. They should have sent a rocket into that hotel room from a helicopter!
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:30 pm to BamaScoop
quote:He didn't have to accurate. He was shooting at a crowd of tens of thousands of people.
What I am calling bull shite on is him being accurate with an AR at that distance.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:30 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
I honestly have no idea a how long it should take,
I have no idea either but 72 minutes does seem like a long time.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:31 pm to Pesticide
You are a moron and don't know shite about tactics.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:32 pm to BamaScoop
Several military types called into Savage this afternoon and said there was little doubt that it was a "belt fed" 240. (AK round)
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:32 pm to BamaScoop
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What I am calling bullshite on is him being accurate with an AR at that distance.
Well, he didn't need to be accurate when shooting into a large crowd.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:32 pm to BamaScoop
Well he shot for 72 minutes into a crowd of 22,000 and "only" injured 5 percent. So he wasn't all that accurate. Even from that distance, spray and pray is going to hit targets. I would suspect most victims got hit the first few rounds when the crowd was still trying to figure out wtf was happening and all on the ground, but still swarmed together.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:32 pm to Gatorbait2008
quote:And that was after setting off censors on the windows that were broken. Not to metion the rounds of ammunition it would take to fire at the windows so that they could be jackhammered(?) out.
For police to stop the shooting? This guy literally laid fire from a hotel room for 72 minutes pretty much non stop.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:32 pm to bamafan1001
quote:That's the thing, is it disgrace in the instance, or is that actually typical?
Its very strange. Its an absolute disgrace that in this day in age, it would take so long to get people up there.
The only thing I have to go off of, is that my parent's friends were staying at Mandalay Bay, but weren't in the hotel at the time. They didn't get back until many hours later.
So I wonder if they also tried to evacuate people as well.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:33 pm to Gatorbait2008
He was on the 32nd (I think?) floor surrounded by tall buildings, at night, with plenty of noise below him. It can be really hard to pin down where shots are coming from when the sounds are bouncing around all over the place. Also, no one was expecting this. Everyone was caught completely off guard.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:33 pm to bamarep
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Several military types called into Savage this afternoon and said there was little doubt that it was a "belt fed" 240. (AK round)
That's not an AK round.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:35 pm to upgrayedd
Jesus, it took 72 minutes to get up there? I was under the understanding it was minutes from earlier reports, which seemed absolutely fricking mind boggling that they were able to respond that quickly. If he was opening fire for 72 minutes though, we are God lucky that casualties were limited to the numbers they were.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:35 pm to Gatorbait2008
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ell he shot for 72 minutes
This is blatantly false.
The shooting stopped after about 35 minutes.
The 72 minutes is the time from the 911 call to the door breach.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 9:37 pm
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