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re: How does it take 72 minutes
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:06 pm to Scoob
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:06 pm to Scoob
From a police stand point with SWAT Training I can tell you that situations like this are chaotic and confusing. Lots of chatter on the radio and lots of misinformation also. I know as a cop you in this situation you have to wait for better armed officers if you don't have a long rifle or a shotgun. You also don't know what's on the other side of the door. It's literally suicide to try and breach a door if you don't have the right equipment and the manpower when you know you have heavy firepower on the other side of that door.
I will say this- I know very little about Las Vegas PD and how they respond or if they had a SWAT team out on the streets.
I will say this- I know very little about Las Vegas PD and how they respond or if they had a SWAT team out on the streets.
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:07 pm to Gatorbait2008
Supposedly the fire alarm went off in the room he was in. I guess they had trouble getting the doors open?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:09 pm to bamarep
quote:
There was a cop in the stairwell on the 32nd floor at about 25 min into the event. He broke into the chatter several times whispering he was in the stairwell and could hear shots.
He was there within 8 minutes of the first shots.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:21 pm to MrCarton
quote:
The fact is, that if we want to have decisive and fast solutions to these situations, it's going to take an armed populace empowered with their own right to self defense.
You are such a dick to bring up your pro gun politics as a solution here. 
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:35 pm to Chuker
quote:Pretty easy shot really
Some "expert" on CBS this morning was insisting the shooter was experienced because he was able to kill people despite being 400 yards away and being able to compensate for "wind shear". The guy kep bringing up wind shear. I don't do much long range shooting but I don't think wind shear matters when your target is 100s of feet by 100s of feet.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:37 pm to bamarep
quote:So the last 37 minutes involved no shooting? I could see why they would wait. You would really want to breach if he was shooting out the window again.
This is blatantly false.
The shooting stopped after about 35 minutes.
The 72 minutes is the time from the 911 call to the door breach.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:46 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
What's going on here?
I think that's a blinking light that happens to match up to the gunfire sound for a sec. For a split second there's no gunfire sound,but the light's still blinking. I'd need to see a photo of that window shot out from today if I'm going to believe. Interesting link though..
Posted on 10/2/17 at 11:57 pm to PhifeDogg
Strobe light or alarm light going off
They make a note that the windows on 7th floor open up but I don't see any confirmation on that?
They make a note that the windows on 7th floor open up but I don't see any confirmation on that?
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:00 am to PhifeDogg
quote:Yeah, I see what you're saying. I can't imagine what kind of light could be blinking in that way from a hotel room? I don't believe it's a steady light with the appearance of blinking through the tree branches as she drives. It definitely appears to be a blinking light. But there does appear to be very brief instances where the gunshot doesn't sync up to the blinking lights. Could be because she's talking and muffles the sound of the gunshot in the distance.
What's going on here?
I think that's a blinking light that happens to match up to the gunfire sound for a sec. For a split second there's no gunfire sound,but the light's still blinking. I'd need to see a photo of that window shot out from today if I'm going to believe. Interesting link though..
It's puzzling. The whole thing is puzzling.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:03 am to Rakim
quote:Yes. That makes sense. Could very well be one of those.
Strobe light or alarm light going off
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:19 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
quote:
From a police stand point with SWAT Training I can tell you that situations like this are chaotic and confusing. Lots of chatter on the radio and lots of misinformation also. I know as a cop you in this situation you have to wait for better armed officers if you don't have a long rifle or a shotgun. You also don't know what's on the other side of the door. It's literally suicide to try and breach a door if you don't have the right equipment and the manpower when you know you have heavy firepower on the other side of that door.
I will say this- I know very little about Las Vegas PD and how they respond or if they had a SWAT team out on the streets.
How much training does an officer have for this type of situation? I would figure they have some breach training but definitely better to have SWAT come through
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:25 am to jmarto1
It's not that simple. You don't know if the door is rigged, if theres multiple shooters, etc.
It would be some medal of Honor worthy shite to go charging into a room against that guy with no knowledge of the layout, breech equipment, back up, and just a side arm.
It would be some medal of Honor worthy shite to go charging into a room against that guy with no knowledge of the layout, breech equipment, back up, and just a side arm.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:34 am to TX Tiger
looks like a strobe to me
Posted on 10/3/17 at 12:48 am to TX Tiger
WTF. The gunfire noise is vastly different as well. Holy shite...there are two shooters. That video has just confirmed it. You see the shooting. She claims it's the tenth floor. You hear differences in the closeness of the gun fire. She claims it's further away now. the gunshots also go off both at one time. Meaning no way it can possibly be one shooter...
Sorry..but that is pretty freaking damning
Sorry..but that is pretty freaking damning
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 1:04 am
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:24 am to Gatorbait2008
Sounds to me that she/we is hearing an echo off different buildings. The “close” bursts match the “far” bursts.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 1:25 am
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:29 am to Pesticide
quote:
How the hell can you tell where gun shots are coming from? He was around 400 yards away.
The one thing I am sure of is Mandalay Bay knew within one min where the fire was comming from.
Anyone with even a basic understanding of the video survalance capability inside and outside a casino knows this. When they passed this info to LVPD I dont know, but something is strange here as most casinos have a officer on the property at all times.
Just a FYI if you are within a few miles of a casino they can record your every move if they wish as long as they have an unobstructed line of sight and they absolutly have this of the exterior of their own building.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 1:45 am to Tiguar
Not to mention that the officers in the area had other things to manage like (a) providing containment in case the guy tried to move, (b) crowd management, (c) first aid, and (d) oversight in case there was a second shooter.
The idea that or a few cops could jus run to the room and kill this guy is ridiculous given the numbe of unknowns in that situation. A cop in the stairwell keeping an ear on where the shots are coming from and feeding information is much more valuable than a dead cop because he tried to go action movie on an unknown number of opponents having a huge tactical advantage.
Also the talk about a cop simply counter sniping him is ridiculous given the need to get someone with sufficient training into a good place to return fire. With the crowd panicking and causing chaos, it isn't that easy to get assets in the correct locations. Then you have to take into account the chance of hurting an innocent hostage or bystander in a shootout. Hard to know all the details, but 72 minutes doesn't seem that crazy to me.
The idea that or a few cops could jus run to the room and kill this guy is ridiculous given the numbe of unknowns in that situation. A cop in the stairwell keeping an ear on where the shots are coming from and feeding information is much more valuable than a dead cop because he tried to go action movie on an unknown number of opponents having a huge tactical advantage.
Also the talk about a cop simply counter sniping him is ridiculous given the need to get someone with sufficient training into a good place to return fire. With the crowd panicking and causing chaos, it isn't that easy to get assets in the correct locations. Then you have to take into account the chance of hurting an innocent hostage or bystander in a shootout. Hard to know all the details, but 72 minutes doesn't seem that crazy to me.
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:25 am to Gatorbait2008
You're a fricking idiot.
Also, a better question is why as a shooter would you sit in the same fricking spot for 72 minutes waiting on them to arrive just to off yourself?
Also, a better question is why as a shooter would you sit in the same fricking spot for 72 minutes waiting on them to arrive just to off yourself?
Posted on 10/3/17 at 5:27 am to CorporateTiger
Frankly I think the guy who was standing outside listening to the shooter reign death down on innocent civilians should've sacked up and busted in the door.
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