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Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:35 pm to TulaneFan
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the highest inflation in 40 years
you prefer capitalism or not?
price controls or rampant profiteering?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:43 pm to El Segundo Guy
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Trump is going to try to dodge primary debates as well. His debate performances in 2020 were horrifically bad, especially the first one.
The thing to remember about debates is it isn't typically about the true performance, it's about appearances. Who is perceived to do better is in a weaker position going in for instance. If you put folks like Vivek and Christie on the stage and even Haley they can cause a lot of trouble, they are solid debaters that know how to deliver a hit and they can direct it at Trump or more likely DeSantis. In a 1v1 against anyone I am putting my money on DeSantis but it likely won't be that way. I still believe if Cruz had gotten straight up against Trump in a debate at the right time that race could have been very different.
Mainly though a year is an eternity in politics and we just don't know what we don't know.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:45 pm to 94LSU
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One would have to be retarded to actually believe that.
well its written into the constitutional powers of the president so you are wrong, as usual
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:46 pm to keakar
None confrontational: can you link that. I’d like to read it.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:48 pm to aggressor
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In a 1v1 against anyone I am putting my money on DeSantis
If Vivek is in the mix my money is on him. Heavily.
He doesn't have a prayer of being elected but I'd love to see him as part of a conservative administration. VP, Chief of Staff, something.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:49 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Only person who can beat Trump is Trump
Trump cannot let anyone down, he can only be let down
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:49 pm to keakar
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well its written into the constitutional powers of the president so you are wrong, as usual
So is pardon authority. The President has absolute power to pardon people for federal crimes. Do you honestly believe he just waves his hand and proclaims "I pardon thee!"? Or is there some paperwork involved to avoid this very kind of dispute in the future? Don't you ever get tired of being forced to take the dumbest positions imaginable to defend this clown?
EDIT: there's not actually anything in the Constitution about classified documents by the way, but I agree the President does have ultimate classification authority. That's not a Jedi hand-wave though.
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:51 pm to roadGator
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I’d like to read it.
since you refuse to look because you refuse to accept the truth, i'll post it for you here again
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Executive Order 13526
As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants, including foreign adversaries.
At the White House today, Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, defended Trump's disclosure and said it "is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary to advance the security of the American people."
Trump is protected under an executive order that was signed by Barack Obama in 2009 establishing a uniform system for "classifying, safeguarding and declassifying national security information."
The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.
The Supreme Court confirmed as much in its 1988 ruling in Department of Navy v. Egan.
"[The president's] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant," the court said.
'This is unprecedented'
The intelligence community has been left spinning in light of the revelations that Trump allegedly disclosed classified information.
But the problem isn't legal — it's political, said Joseph Nye, a professor at Harvard University.
"It is a matter of policy and prudence," he explained. "Careless disclosure can dry up sources, whether it be the identities and lives of those in the field or the cooperation we get from liaison with other services, who have to protect their sources and methods."
While experts said that presidents may disclose classified information, it is rare for them to do so.
"This is unprecedented," said Kate Martin, a senior fellow with the Center for American Progress who has more than 30 years of intelligence and national security expertise.
As the head of the executive branch, Trump has the legal authority to disclose intelligence information, she said, but "the system assumes that a president acts in the interest of U.S. national security and that a president would not disclose intelligence information in a way that could be harmful simply in order to boast about his own access."
LINK
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:56 pm to keakar
That’s what I figured.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:56 pm to 94LSU
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there's not actually anything in the Constitution about classified documents by the way,
But, but, but…
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:59 pm to 94LSU
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Trump is turning off more and more people who voted for him every day.
He has lost some people on this board that were hard core Trump supporters
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:01 pm to roadGator
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That’s what I figured.
here you go lazy man
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Executive Order 13526
As president, Trump has the legal power to declassify information. He also has the authority to share information with whomever he wants, including foreign adversaries.
At the White House today, Trump's national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, defended Trump's disclosure and said it "is wholly appropriate for the president to share whatever information he thinks is necessary to advance the security of the American people."
Trump is protected under an executive order that was signed by Barack Obama in 2009 establishing a uniform system for "classifying, safeguarding and declassifying national security information."
The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.
The Supreme Court confirmed as much in its 1988 ruling in Department of Navy v. Egan.
"[The president's] authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security … flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the president and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant," the court said.
'This is unprecedented'
The intelligence community has been left spinning in light of the revelations that Trump allegedly disclosed classified information.
But the problem isn't legal — it's political, said Joseph Nye, a professor at Harvard University.
"It is a matter of policy and prudence," he explained. "Careless disclosure can dry up sources, whether it be the identities and lives of those in the field or the cooperation we get from liaison with other services, who have to protect their sources and methods."
While experts said that presidents may disclose classified information, it is rare for them to do so.
"This is unprecedented," said Kate Martin, a senior fellow with the Center for American Progress who has more than 30 years of intelligence and national security expertise.
As the head of the executive branch, Trump has the legal authority to disclose intelligence information, she said, but "the system assumes that a president acts in the interest of U.S. national security and that a president would not disclose intelligence information in a way that could be harmful simply in order to boast about his own access."
LINK
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 8:07 pm
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:02 pm to TulaneFan
He's not old as frick and doesn't ramble like a retirement home resident.
Don't get me wrong. If the orange man wins the nomination I'll vote for him. But there were so many times I watched the COVID press conferences where he would have a slam dunk, home run response teed up for him against the media goob and he would go down some little rabbit hole that they wanted him to go down just to spin the narrative.He always took the bait.
It's time our country isn't led by some giatric fart.
Don't get me wrong. If the orange man wins the nomination I'll vote for him. But there were so many times I watched the COVID press conferences where he would have a slam dunk, home run response teed up for him against the media goob and he would go down some little rabbit hole that they wanted him to go down just to spin the narrative.He always took the bait.
It's time our country isn't led by some giatric fart.
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:07 pm to keakar
Are they targeting him for having documents or disclosing them?
That article is about disclosure.
I haven’t been following what the commies have been focusing on in this latest attempt to take him down.
frickers.
That article is about disclosure.
I haven’t been following what the commies have been focusing on in this latest attempt to take him down.
frickers.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:09 pm to keakar
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Executive Order 13526
So, not in the Constitution then. Glad we were able to clear that up at least! Again, I don't dispute whether the President has ultimate classification authority, he does. The dispute is whether these docs were actually declassified. There needs to be something official declassifying things he took with him. Sorry, but Trump's word on that isn't good enough. He lies a lot if you hadn't noticed.
This latest gotcha scandal involves a conversation he supposedly had after he left office and it's being reported that even he acknowledges documents that have not been declassified. If (and that's a big if) those reports are accurate he has a problem.
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:14 pm to 94LSU
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Keeping the Balance: What a President Can Do and Cannot Do A PRESIDENT CAN . . . make treaties with the approval of the Senate. veto bills and sign bills. represent our nation in talks with foreign countries. enforce the laws that Congress passes. act as Commander-in-Chief during a war. call out troops to protect our nation against an attack. make suggestions about things that should be new laws. lead his political party. entertain foreign guests. recognize foreign countries. grant pardons. nominate Cabinet members and Supreme Court Justices and other high officials. appoint ambassadors. talk directly to the people about problems. represent the best interest of all the people
From the Truman center:
I don’t see declas. Interesting.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:21 pm to roadGator
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Are they targeting him for having documents or disclosing them?
That article is about disclosure.
I haven’t been following what the commies have been focusing on in this latest attempt to take him down.
frickers.
its an obama executive order he used to expand his powers
and they are after trump for "supposedly" having documents they say he has, but they have nothing but their opinions to say he does. even if he does have them, simply having them in his possession, makes them declassified.
this is where they did shite so obama could be king, yet are now butt hurt because trump used those powers to help him keep some incrimination info on the deep state.
thats why they raided trump, to get those documents back that can prove their treasonous activities. it was a giant joint CYA operation by the DOJ FBI along with the deep state.
and no one is even talking about why the FBI has been recording trumps communications as well as his living spaces since before he took office as well as his entire time in office and still to this day after he was out of office. its going on 8 years now they are running this spy op on him
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 7:30 pm
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