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re: How do you TX residents feel about TX State Rep. James Talarico? He's a Dem by the way...
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:51 am to OzonaOkapi
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:51 am to OzonaOkapi
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He is correct in observing that the Bible simply does not directly address the question of abortion.
someone posted that video on Reddit and i read a comment where someone brought up Leviticus and the "ordeal of the bitter water". essentially, if you suspected your wife had committed adultery, you'd bring her to the church, have her drink the water, and if she miscarried, she was guilty. if she didn't, she was innocent.
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Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:57 am to HubbaBubba
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It was an interesting podcast. I see why secularists don't like this guy. He speaks quite a lot of truth.
it was. i think he presented the ideas very well. you can tell that dude doesn't sit well with Christians that want to please everybody and wave away sin. He doesn't make any case for conservatism that I heard, but definitely goes after Russel Moore and David French types that want to be accepted by the NYT crowd.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:03 am to OzonaOkapi
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He is correct in observing that the Bible simply does not directly address the question of abortion. Whether it provides indirect guidance on that issue is entirely a matter of interpretation.
while i agree it's a matter of interpretation Exodus makes it pretty clear that a dead baby in strife is life for a life.
“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
Exodus 21:22-25
And i would say that modern law agrees with that. if you murder a pregnant woman, nobody has a problem making that a double homicide.
I can understand a non-believer waving that away. However, the Bible never condones killing of unborn though just like it never condones homosexual acts. or extramarital acts.
Sometimes the Lord has used sinful men and their sin to make His will be done (David and Bathsheba, Pharoah, etc.) but it's never condoned.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:06 am to finchmeister08
quote:I was not familiar with this, and it is fascinating. Actually found at Numbers 5:11–31
someone posted that video on Reddit and i read a comment where someone brought up Leviticus and the "ordeal of the bitter water". essentially, if you suspected your wife had committed adultery, you'd bring her to the church, have her drink the water, and if she miscarried, she was guilty. if she didn't, she was innocent.
If a man in the Old Testament era thought his wife had been unfaithful, he would take her to a priest, and the priest would administer an abortifacient (the 'bitter water"). If the woman aborted the pregnancy, she was deemed to be guilty of adultery, but if the pregnancy survived, the child was deemed to be that of the husband.
Is that how you read it?
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 10:13 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:35 am to OzonaOkapi
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If a man in the Old Testament era thought his wife had been unfaithful, he would take her to a priest, and the priest would administer an abortifacient (the 'bitter water"). If the woman aborted the pregnancy, she was deemed to be guilty of adultery, but if the pregnancy survived, the child was deemed to be that of the husband.
yes, this is exactly how i remember reading that person's comment.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:47 am to finchmeister08
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America is not a Christian nation
Show me where he's wrong?
America is NOT a Christian nation any more. It was certainly built upon Christian values that were written into our Constitution and Bill of Rights, but the most fundamentally Christian doctrines have been either removed or outright ignored.
Less than half of this country will even admit to believing in GOD (or any other divine deity). And look around at the results. Those who are non-believers, I'm not one of those people to get in your face and tell you all about "you're wrong and I'm right", because that will never be a welcoming invitation for open mindedness. I will encourage just a little reading of biblical prophecies and lessons from the past, though. Most specifically, look at what has befallen nations and people that have historically rejected GOD. Then, look at what's happening right now in the USA. We're following the blueprint of Sodom and Gomorrah, and will ultimately face a similar fate.
You don't have to be a Christian to believe that the overwhelming majority of Christian values are noble and just. It's not a religion openly seeking the extermination of all other religions, like SOME certain religious ideologies profess. The very foundation of GOD and Christianity itself is that you have the ultimate free will to either accept or reject GOD. No one is forcing you to do either. You can choose to not believe, and live your life by your own rules and the law of the land (or not), or you can surrender to the will of the Lord and follow His path as best you can, which is a difficult path to maintain but ultimately worthwhile.
But I digress. America is, as I said before, no longer a Christian nation. And we have been falling apart in recent times which parallels times of a greater turning-away from GOD. I do not believe this to be coincidence.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:27 am to OzonaOkapi
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He is correct in observing that the Bible simply does not directly address the question of abortion. Whether it provides indirect guidance on that issue is entirely a matter of interpretation.
If you think God is for abortion then your doing a shitty job of interpreting the Bible.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:32 am to Rex Feral
quote:Exactly
interpreting the Bible.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/17/24 at 11:58 am to OzonaOkapi
Sorry. I misread your comment.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 12:48 pm to finchmeister08
quote:If this is correct, the Bible seems to affirmatively endorse abortion of illegitimate pregnancies. Interesting.
If a man in the Old Testament era thought his wife had been unfaithful, he would take her to a priest, and the priest would administer an abortifacient (the 'bitter water"). If the woman aborted the pregnancy, she was deemed to be guilty of adultery, but if the pregnancy survived, the child was deemed to be that of the husband.quote:
yes, this is exactly how i remember reading that person's comment.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:21 pm to Wally Sparks
Yes. Like I says...
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:27 pm to OzonaOkapi
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If this is correct, the Bible seems to affirmatively endorse abortion of illegitimate pregnancies. Interesting.
in the world's eyes Mary's pregnancy was illegitimate.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:31 pm to finchmeister08
Don't think anything. He doesn't represent my district. Don't come at us Texans about Austin area pols. If you haven't been there in a while, it smells the same as San Francisco.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:25 pm to OzonaOkapi
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simply does not directly address the question of abortion. Whether it provides indirect guidance on that issue is entirely a matter of interpretation.
No, it's not! Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.”
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:35 pm to jrobic4
quote:And from that, you go through several steps of assumptions and interpretation to reach the conclusion that the Bible forbids abortion. Which is really rather ironic, given that Judaism at the time that was written (Second Temple Period) did not argue that the soul entered the body until BIRTH).
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.
I don't fault you for making some assumptions and interpolations, but it is there, and it IS what you do to reach your conclusion. Denying it would just be silly.
There is nothing anywhere in the Bible which explicitly precludes abortion. To the contrary, the discussion above shows that the Old Testament affirmatively sanctions abortion of illegitimate pregnancies.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 5:48 pm
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