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re: How do tariffs bring costs down?

Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:43 am to
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:43 am to
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Roger tried with CNNs numbers to break it down and concluded that it would cost 10 extra a month so 120 a year

That seems devasting to me





That extra "$10 a month" math was from the SDVtiger. When asked to prove how he got to the "extra $10 a month" he could not do it.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
24992 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:44 am to
Inflation under Trump was below 2%. That's reality beyond mere words.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
23044 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:46 am to
They dont

What they do instead is raise the price on cheap foreign made goods enough that they become unattractive to buy

This generally increases the purchase and production of domestic goods.
Domestic production then in turn increases jobs and wages of domestic workers.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464991 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:50 am to
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What they do instead is raise the price on cheap foreign made goods enough that they become unattractive to buy

This generally increases the purchase and production of domestic goods.
Domestic production then in turn increases jobs and wages of domestic workers.

Redistribution of wealth that is inflationary.

What's missing is that the lost money (due to higher prices) remove money from the more productive areas of the economy, which will hurt GDP growth and economic development/status.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 9:51 am
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10289 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:52 am to
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Thats a wall of nothing as usual with you

Why do you even waste your time

Im told the math is easy so give a number


Good Lord, you're twice the idiot I thought you were.

And that's saying something.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10289 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:54 am to
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Inflation under Trump was below 2%. That's reality beyond mere words.


That's not going to continue, however.

Even if he's elected.

Go check out the thread comparing the economic policies of both Trump and Harris. There's not nearly as much difference as people think.

It's not going to go back to that level of inflation just because Trump gets elected.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:55 am to
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Apparently you don't understand the concept of universal baseline tariffs, which is what Trump is proposing in his 2024 economic plan.

So we are not talking about tariffs on China only. We are talking about tariffs on all imports.


If this is offset with reduced income taxes it's a trade off I'm comfortable with. I do not mind higher consumption taxes on imported goods if the tradeoff is lower income taxes.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 9:56 am
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
15852 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:55 am to
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How you bring inflation down is yes, lower fuel prices, pump the hell out of natural gas, give the energy sector long term stable policy so they can invest, but also make the dollar stronger by having a tight monetary policy. Slashing regulations will also help.


I agree with all of this but - BUT, if the cost of the product has been increased by over 50% because of a tariff- lowered fuel prices Will not offset that cost.

Cost of Television from China goes up 50% after levying the tariff. It gets loaded into a truck with a lot of other televisions and goes from the port of Long Beach to whyoming.
Let’s say the cost of the fuel is down 50% year over year, the television is just a small part of the overall shipment from Long Beach to whyoming, that 50% reduction in fuel cost is spread out over all of the items I the truck, not just to one television.

Bottom line- the impact of the lowered fuel cannot possibly offset the increase in the tariff.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 10:58 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464991 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:56 am to
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If this is offset with reduced income taxes

It won't be.

We may maintain the standard GOPE tax cuts that passed in Trump's first term, but there won' be additional taxes to offset tariffs on top of that.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 9:57 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294567 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:56 am to
It doesnt. Its inflationary.


Tariffs are an archaic answer that cause more damage than good.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:58 am to
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That's not going to continue, however.

Even if he's elected.



I think you are incorrect. Trump's foreign energy policy will incentivize OPEC nations to produce more thus decreasing energy cost domestically with will have a negative impact on prices.
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
10289 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 9:58 am to
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Tariffs are an archaic answer that cause more damage than good.


And everyone should know this by now.

It's just like thinking that THIS time when we try socialism it will be different.
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
5641 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:01 am to
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Trump's foreign energy policy will incentivize OPEC nations to produce more


Not happening. You are naive. The OPEC nations need $80 to $90 oil.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92929 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:03 am to
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Good Lord, you're twice the idiot I thought you were.



Sorry no one cares about your mierda rants

Which you said absolutely nothing
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11399 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:07 am to
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Tariffs are an archaic answer that cause more damage than good.


That's what MAGA'ing is about though, baw. Trying to recreate the glorious days of Hawley-Smoot.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
24992 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:10 am to
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It's not going to go back to that level of inflation just because Trump gets elected.


Trump's solution to inflation is freeing business from the wet blanket of leftist minded regulation.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88376 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:12 am to
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Hows his polling #s?

Dude said he would be more popular than Orange by Nov




i'd love to know who that fake is.

he is somebody's alter.

what happened to disgraced cuckguy? is he buckl?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:12 am to
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That's what MAGA'ing is about though, baw. Trying to recreate the glorious days of Hawley-Smoot.


Hawley-Smoot is equivalent to raising the income tax to 60% for everyone. It would be devastating.

What tariff critics fail to understand that is if you take off tariffs from the trade negotiation table you are at a major disadvantage before you sit down at the table.

Only an idiot would self-immolate their trade position before the first negotiation word is mentioned.
Posted by Slim
Poplarville, Mississippi
Member since Sep 2006
2960 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:12 am to
Really very simple economics of supply and demand: raise tariffs and the Chinese raise the price of products that are made in China, products that are made in the US will become more affordable to US citizens. China doesn’t want to lose their export business so they lower prices to compete with US companies. Win US, loss China.
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88376 posts
Posted on 8/29/24 at 10:14 am to
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Sorry no one cares about your mierda rants

Which you said absolutely nothing


you cannot take jackmeoff3timesaday seriously. he is another alter.

we have had so many clowns here banned by our great admins there is a plethora of alters floating all over this place.
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