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re: How do liberals want Trump to react to the lies by the MSM?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:16 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:16 am to bhtigerfan
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Every day, we hear libs complaining about Trump "attacking the media" on Twitter.
FWIW, I hate the MSM and do not watch any of the crap on CNN, MSNBC, or Fox, and I read news from both perspectives.
But....Trump claims "fake news" regardless of the veracity of what is being reported. It's one thing if he claims "fake news" when clearly false claims are made. It's another thing entirely when any information that makes him look bad is considered "fake news." The media has every right to scrutinize the behavior of someone who holds arguably more power than anyone else in the world. This is America, not North Korea or China. Every single President before him has had to deal with the media. Perhaps the media would be less harsh if not for his consistent attacks on them, which only help their viewership/ratings/profits.
And just to put all this in context, he is the President of the most powerful country in the world. The fact that he reacts to tweets by celebrities is evidence of his idiocy. Not to mention his tweets have been used against him in court. The man is clearly a moron. The fact that he is still supported by the middle class, of whom he has done nothing for, is comical. Meager tax cuts (for some, not all) are the best thing he'll likely due to his constituency throughout his 4 years as President with control of both houses.
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:24 am to coolpapaboze
quote:Although this is true, I'm trying to address the progressives on here who are always complaining about Trump's tweets.
I think much of the press' product is for self-consumption. I think most of their complaints, unfortunately for them, are also essentially being consumed and heard primarily by their peers. The average Joe doesn't care about the press' complaints. They are the least sympathetic institution in the country at the moment and they have demonstrated zero capacity or inclination for self-examination or correction. They have little credibility and no one to blame but themselves
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:28 am to bhtigerfan
They want him to stand in the middle of the ring as the media pummels him to his knees for the count.
They're shocked and dismayed to discover he fights back and is more than willing to take the fight to them.
Of course they find it all soooooo unseemly.
They're shocked and dismayed to discover he fights back and is more than willing to take the fight to them.
Of course they find it all soooooo unseemly.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:29 am to PointsInCase
quote:Thanks for the answer, although I disagree with all of it.
PointsInCase
Just as I thought, the left is so used to attacking the opposition in the media and social media, and no one hitting them back.
Just like the bully analogy I used earlier, y'all are bullies and don't like victims that fight back.
Trump is kicking y'alls arse, and you can't take it.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:35 am to bhtigerfan
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Trump is kicking y'alls arse, and you can't take it.
Who's arse is he kicking? What has he accomplished? What respect has he garnered? I'm not affiliated with any political party, but I'm unsure how he can be viewed as successful thus far. That may change, but for now, he is a "do nothing" President that is on his way to being remembered more for his outlandish tweets than anything Presidential he has done. Perhaps I'm missing something?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:41 am to PointsInCase
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Perhaps I'm missing something?
I'd say you're missing a lot. If he wasn't "doing things" people like you and the MSM wouldn't be hemorrhaging every other day to what he "is not doing".
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:41 am to Erin Go Bragh
quote:So the best way to defend an attack is to bitch on Twitter like a teenager? Most bitchy women I know "bitch" less than Trump does. Why doesn't he just be a President, or at least a man. If words are meaningless, as Trump has said, then why doesn't he beat the media through his actions instead of his words? How is tweeting to a no-name football player helping him in any way?
They want him to stand in the middle of the ring as the media pummels him to his knees for the count.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:45 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:Name what he has done of importance thus far in his presidency. What are his accomplishments?
I'd say you're missing a lot. If he wasn't "doing things" people like you and the MSM wouldn't be hemorrhaging every other day to what he "is not doing".
Just to clarify, doing something doesn't imply it's in any way in the best interest of the country or anyone in it. Playing golf and saying stupid things count as "doing something."
What am I missing, specifically? "A lot" means nothing if it isn't backed up with any actual things that have happened in real life. Name them.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:54 am to PointsInCase
quote:The roll back of countless job killing regulations on business.
Name what he has done of importance thus far in his presidency. What are his accomplishments?
The hiring freezes in most federal agencies to slow government growth.
The appointment of Gorsuch and numerous conservative federal judges.
The immigration ban.
And about to get the largest tax cut/overhaul in decades. Sorry if you don't understand it, but it seems you've swallowed the left's complete lies about it.
BTW, the president doesn't pass legislation dumbass, he signs it after passage. Were you absent during civics class?
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:54 am to bhtigerfan
quote:People complain about his tweets because they are an embarrassment to the office of the President.
Although this is true, I'm trying to address the progressives on here who are always complaining about Trump's tweets.
The media's job is to scrutinize the President. The President's job is to run the country. This is enshrined in the Constitution.
Not to mention, the media profits off of Trump saying dumb crap on Twitter. Viewrship = Money. Trump is literally helping the people he claims to hate make more money and become more powerful. He does this because he goes against the advice of his own attorney's, aides, and probably family in saying stupid crap on Twitter. It's mind bogglingly stupid.
Downvote all you want. That doesn't change the truth.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 10:55 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:58 am to PointsInCase
quote:What you see as an embarrassment, we see as setting the record straight and fighting back against the lies.
People complain about his tweets because they are an embarrassment to the office of the President.
quote:Where was this scrutiny of Obama?
The media's job is to scrutinize the President.
You're a typical useful idiot.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:59 am to PointsInCase
quote:Fify
That doesn't change my truth.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 10:59 am to bhtigerfan
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The media's job is to scrutinize the President.
They took a long arse vacation when Obama was in office.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:00 am to PointsInCase
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People complain about his tweets because they are an embarrassment to the office of the President.
I didn't see you professing the same when Obama had his one-on-one interview with the chick with purple hair that takes baths in milk and Froot Loops. Talking about unpresidential - now there's an excellent example of what you speak.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:04 am to olddawg26
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Would be nice if he called out blatant fake news on both sides. Would help his credibility a lot.
Eh, InfoWars fake news doesn't have the clout of CNN and ABC fake news
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:05 am to PointsInCase
quote:
The media's job is to scrutinize republican Presidents
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:07 am to bhtigerfan
The immigration ban hasn't gone through. It has been rejected through multiple iterations and has a long way to go in court. All he has accomplished is (finally) getting the ban past the first of many steps.
And "passing" legislation is a semantics issue. He supports/endorses it and ultimately signs it. That makes him a pretty important part of "passing" legislation.
Hiring freezes? That's an accomplishment? The deficit is about to be increased tremendously. A temporary hiring freeze is just to appease his constituency. It accomplishes next to nothing and is hardly worthy of being listed an an accomplishment for a President.
Job killing regulation rollbacks? The economy is, and has been, at full employment, or nearly full employment, for quite awhile. This trend has persisted since the 2008 crash.
I'll give you Gorsuch, I guess. It wasn't exactly hard to do.
And, according to your definition, Trump hasn't played a part in the tax overhaul because he has yet to sign the final bill. His push for the reform obviously doesn't matter, LOL. Go back to civics class, law class, and economics class.
And "passing" legislation is a semantics issue. He supports/endorses it and ultimately signs it. That makes him a pretty important part of "passing" legislation.
Hiring freezes? That's an accomplishment? The deficit is about to be increased tremendously. A temporary hiring freeze is just to appease his constituency. It accomplishes next to nothing and is hardly worthy of being listed an an accomplishment for a President.
Job killing regulation rollbacks? The economy is, and has been, at full employment, or nearly full employment, for quite awhile. This trend has persisted since the 2008 crash.
I'll give you Gorsuch, I guess. It wasn't exactly hard to do.
And, according to your definition, Trump hasn't played a part in the tax overhaul because he has yet to sign the final bill. His push for the reform obviously doesn't matter, LOL. Go back to civics class, law class, and economics class.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:16 am to PointsInCase
quote:You can't be serious?
The economy is, and has been, at full employment, or nearly full employment, for quite awhile. This trend has persisted since the 2008 crash.
Have you ever seen the GDP growth and labor participation rates under Obama? Or the growth in welfare recipients?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:22 am to bhtigerfan
quote:The embarassing part is that he replies to trivial matters. "Firing back" is a nice way of saying "bitching." He's "firing back" at people without a leg to stand on. The "firing back" accomplishes nothing.
What you see as an embarrassment, we see as setting the record straight and fighting back against the lies.
quote:
Where was this scrutiny of Obama?
Plenty of people scrutinized Obama. The MSM had a generally favorable outlook on him because it helped their ratings and made them money. Americans are pretty dumb.
I'm no Obama fan, but most of what he can be critiqued for centered around his political stances rather than his character. The MSM was much more kind to GWB and prior Republicans than Trump because they were decent people, at worst. A lot of the negative coverage for GWB centered around our involvement in the middle east, not GWB's character.
FWIW I voted for GWB. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal. I vote across party lines regularly. I don't like the MSM and I ignore them for the most part. But their treatment of Trump is not unexpected or unwarranted given his behavior.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 11:25 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:28 am to bhtigerfan
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Should he just sit back and take it like Bush did and watch the media destroy him?
Well Bush had higher approval ratings and was a 2 term POTUS...so maybe?
But to answer your question, you can address lies and false stories without reacting like a child.
This shouldn't be hard to understand.
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