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re: How do liberals want Trump to react to the lies by the MSM?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:32 am to Salmon
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:32 am to Salmon
quote:So he calls them names.
But to answer your question, you can address lies and false stories without reacting like a child.
Big fricking deal.
I concentrate on his repudiations of said lies and the name calling is simply funny trolling.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:35 am to bhtigerfan
quote:
So he calls them names.
Big fricking deal.
Trump reacts exactly like the media wants him to react. Trump and the media feed off each other. They both need each other. Both are good for business.
I just hold the POTUS to higher standards than the media.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:35 am to bhtigerfan
quote:There's very little correlation between GDP, labor participation rates, the unemployment rate, jobless claims, non-farm payroll, and wage growth when comparing Republican and Democrats in office, including Congress and the President.
Have you ever seen the GDP growth and labor participation rates under Obama? Or the growth in welfare recipients?
In addition, the economic performance thus far in Trump's presidency cannot be assumed to be correlated with any economic decisions he has made. All of the statistics available are lagging indicators and not indicative of the future direction of the economy. Most economists expect modest growth through 2020 and onward.
And GDP growth under Trump has not been what the rhetoric implies. We are not at 3% annually, despite hitting 3% in a quarter, which happened 8 times during Obama's tenure. Very few economists expect our GDP growth to sustain 3% annually or for the growth to offset the current tax cut proposals. The data does not support the rhetoric.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:39 am to bhtigerfan
He could do what Obama did in regard to all the lies and distortions from Conservative media- ignore it and go about the job of being President.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:40 am to MajorTaylor
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He could do what Obama did in regard to all the lies and distortions from Conservative media- ignore it and go about the job of being President.
Obama made fun of Fox News and these guys lost their minds
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:40 am to MajorTaylor
trump negative coverage across the msm as a whole is VASTLY different than Obamas. To compare the two is silly. Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:43 am to MajorTaylor
quote:This. No other President (Repub. or Dem.) has lashed out against the media in the same way as Trump because there is nothing to gain. Sure, Trump is being bold by being bitchy, but at what cost? How are the benefits going to offset the negative consequences? It just doesn't add up. Even if I were an ardent Trump supporter, I would hope that he would stop the frivolous tweets against people without any legs to stand on. It's like shooting a dead dog.
He could do what Obama did in regard to all the lies and distortions from Conservative media- ignore it and go about the job of being President.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:45 am to BBONDS25
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To compare the two is silly.
Of course it is, mostly because no other POTUS has ever reacted quite like Trump
I find these threads absurd because y'all act like Trump is innocent in this "war"
Trump feeds off the media narrative because its low hanging fruit to rile up his base
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:47 am to Salmon
quote:Made fun of them?
Obama made fun of Fox News and these guys lost their minds
He labeled them as "not a legitimate news organization."
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:48 am to PointsInCase
The victim routine / persecution complex has long been popular with the far-Right and with more extreme Conservatives.
Media is against us and it is all so unfair...we are persecuted and there is a war against Christians / Christmas...white people are the real victims of racism...we are victims of taxation and regulation that stifle wealth creation ( never mind that Trump was able to become fabulously wealthy despite the regulation and taxation ), etc.
Media is against us and it is all so unfair...we are persecuted and there is a war against Christians / Christmas...white people are the real victims of racism...we are victims of taxation and regulation that stifle wealth creation ( never mind that Trump was able to become fabulously wealthy despite the regulation and taxation ), etc.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:49 am to bhtigerfan
quote:
Made fun of them?
He labeled them as "not a legitimate news organization."
which sounds like Trump and it triggered the frick out of y'all
now its somehow different when Trump does it
its absurd
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:49 am to PointsInCase
quote:
No other President (Repub. or Dem.) has lashed out against the media in the same way as Trump
Obama said that Fox News "was not a legitimate news organization".
Were you living in a cave during the Obama administration's war on Fox?
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:51 am to bhtigerfan
quote:
We're you living in a cave during the Obama administration's war on Fox?
Obama absolutely went after Fox, but let's not be disingenuous and pretend that it was anywhere near the same level as Trump's "war"
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:52 am to Salmon
quote:So, it was okay when Obama did it, but it's bad now that Trump does it?
now its somehow different when Trump does it
Looks like Obama opened this Pandora's Box, now y'all wanna close it?
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:52 am to Salmon
quote:
which sounds like Trump and it triggered the frick out of y'all
now its somehow different when Trump does it
its absurd
What are you even arguing here? You were originally saying Trump shouldn't be doing whatever he's doing. Now, it's some sort of odd 'whataboutism' with Obama.
Weird morph in the span of two pages in a thread.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:54 am to bhtigerfan
quote:If you think Obama and Trump's behavior are equivalent, then no amount of reason can sway you. Even most fervent Trump supporters can admit that Trump treats the media vastly differently than any prior President. It's part of what got him elected in the first place. It's part of his "schtick." Most people just thought he would change after the election, since he's now representing the free world, ya know.
Obama said that Fox News "was not a legitimate news organization".
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:54 am to Salmon
quote:
Of course it is, mostly because no other POTUS has ever reacted quite like Trump
I know. It's great isn't it?
He frames the narrative by attacking a controversial word or phrase to his chosen subject. It's not just twitter either. It's also in his speeches and public statements.
He basically became a real candidate 2 years ago by identifying a massive gap between a lot of Democrat and Republican constituents and their party on immigration. Him claiming to take the stance they wanted isn't quite enough. He had to say "They are sending murderers and rapists" knowing full well that the media would carry that message far and wide for him. They had to take it out of context to attack him, but they do that with every republican. In doing so, everyone learned that Trump was legitimately strong on immigration - which is a fact that Bush and Rubio would have preferred if they media glossed over.
If the media was even halfway honest or credible, Trump would be about as powerful as Pat Buchanan. They instead react predictably against everything a republican does or says. Trump takes advantage of that. He is a product of a coastal media elite that doesn't care about middle America and was (for years) completely in the tank for candidates like Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Clinton.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:55 am to bhtigerfan
I criticized Obama for it 
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:55 am to PointsInCase
quote:
Even most fervent Trump supporters can admit that Trump treats the media vastly differently than any prior President
He's figured out how to manipulate and frame news coverage with a media that is completely hostile to him and his supporters.
Powerful Democrats don't have to do that.
Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:56 am to BBONDS25
with the "msm", yes.
Just as Conservative media's coverage of Trump is vastly different than was its coverage of Obama.
Con media attacked Obama, Lib media attacks Trump.
Now, the Right's attacks against Obama were far more vicious, nasty, and hateful than are the Left's attacks against Trump. The Conservative media had people fully believing that Obama is Satan and he was out to destroy America and he was giddy with pleasure when terrorists killed Americans / Christians. And to this day millions of Conservatives believe that nonsense.
Just as Conservative media's coverage of Trump is vastly different than was its coverage of Obama.
Con media attacked Obama, Lib media attacks Trump.
Now, the Right's attacks against Obama were far more vicious, nasty, and hateful than are the Left's attacks against Trump. The Conservative media had people fully believing that Obama is Satan and he was out to destroy America and he was giddy with pleasure when terrorists killed Americans / Christians. And to this day millions of Conservatives believe that nonsense.
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