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re: How did you develop your political beliefs?

Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:50 pm to
Posted by bayoumuscle21
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:50 pm to
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I also did not vote for trump. As a Democrat I would have voted for Jon Huntsman had he been at the top of a ticket


Would you vote for Trump now, with him being so intensly loyal to the military? I'm jw because a few of my buddies that are veterans love him now, while they were lukewarm (more anti HTC) during the election.
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:54 pm to
By observation and study, identification of facts, some analysis, and deriving logical conclusions therefrom.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:56 pm to
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tduecen


Good post.
Posted by TigerinKorea
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 10:57 pm to
I grew up in a strong conservative household, so naturally I held those beliefs when I entered college. When I graduated, and was able to think for myself based on what I had learned, I became more of a libertarian, and re-registered as an independent. I really admired Ron Paul, and still do.

When Donald Trump ran for president, I registered as a Republican once again.
This post was edited on 12/17/17 at 10:59 pm
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:07 pm to
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I really admired Ron Paul, and still do.


Do you think Rand has a shot in the future?
Posted by 225bred
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:20 pm to
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I did not. Integrity is a big thing for me.


I respect that.

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. That’s where the republicans lost me during my time working in the budget.


I can also understand this.

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I also did not vote for trump. As a Democrat I would have voted for Jon Huntsman had he been at the top of a ticket


Aside from President Trump not explicitly being a budget hawk, just curious, what policies of his are you against?

Please spare me talking points, and rhetoric. I mean, specific legislature ideas and policies.

TIA. Looking forward to civil discourse.

Posted by 225bred
COYS
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:24 pm to
You have a good point.

I should have clarified. I was mainly referring to modern US history.

1950's and onward. Programs like the Great Society and other welfare benefits are rearing their ugliest heads today, more than ever.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:28 pm to
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Link to where he stated that?



they are largely social issues. caring about social issues = SJW = snowflake
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:35 pm to
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Would you vote for Trump now, with him being so intensly loyal to the military? I'm jw because a few of my buddies that are veterans love him now, while they were lukewarm (more anti HTC) during the election.


No.

Here's why:

1. He is disingenuous. And that reflects in his foreign policy approach. he views foreign policy through cylinders (see China comments when he's there and when he is not there) and there is no consistency. For example, his Jerusalem decision a week ago was might have played well for the best but directly contradicted the job we are supposed to be doing here in Iraq.

2. He's not loyal to the military. He plays to his base and he knows the key to tugging a republican heart is to appear to be pro-military. See his and the VP's publicity stunt on kneeling. I can give two shits about NFLK players kneeling. It's not disrespectful to me as a service member as it is made out to be. As I have said in the past, uniformed service members run from the anthem at 0800 every morning in bases across the country so we shouldn't be the pot calling the kettle black. Here's the deal: you cannot advocate for tax cuts AND drastically increase military spending (see his comments on growth). Fiscally, the numbers don't add up.

Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
Cali
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/17/17 at 11:53 pm to
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Aside from President Trump not explicitly being a budget hawk, just curious, what policies of his are you against?

Please spare me talking points, and rhetoric. I mean, specific legislature ideas and policies.



Sorry. I was responding to your other post before I saw this one.

So I referenced his foreign policy and tax cuts ideas. I also dislike his approach to healthcare. OBAMACARE needs help; however, it seemed he didn't care what the new legislation looked like he just wanted it replaced instead of seeking to improve it.
Posted by bayoumuscle21
St. George
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:00 am to
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see China comments when he's there and when he is not there


The Chinese government said the deals he was working with them on was "miraculous". And he needs to be tough on China imo, they have been screwing us with trade and currency manipulation.

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See his and the VP's publicity stunt on kneeling

My veteran buddies and myself disagree with you on this one. But that's fine.

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Here's the deal: you cannot advocate for tax cuts AND drastically increase military spending (see his comments on growth). Fiscally, the numbers don't add up.


Disagree again. He can comment on whatever but as of now with all of the deregulation we do have growth, and approaching 4% GDP finally. I think combined with the tax cuts the sky is the limit.

Thanks for the reply, but we can do what makes America great, agree to disagree.
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:01 am to
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Here's why:

1. He is disingenuous. And that reflects in his foreign policy approach. he views foreign policy through cylinders (see China comments when he's there and when he is not there) and there is no consistency. For example, his Jerusalem decision a week ago was might have played well for the best but directly contradicted the job we are supposed to be doing here in Iraq.

2. He's not loyal to the military. He plays to his base and he knows the key to tugging a republican heart is to appear to be pro-military. See his and the VP's publicity stunt on kneeling. I can give two shits about NFLK players kneeling. It's not disrespectful to me as a service member as it is made out to be. As I have said in the past, uniformed service members run from the anthem at 0800 every morning in bases across the country so we shouldn't be the pot calling the kettle black. Here's the deal: you cannot advocate for tax cuts AND drastically increase military spending (see his comments on growth). Fiscally, the numbers don't add up.


This is all conjecture at best, and disingenuous opinion at worst, but you're stating it like it's indisputable fact. Anyone with half and ounce of intelligence is rolling their eyes when they read something like this, I hope you know that.
Posted by 225bred
COYS
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:01 am to
well that is simply just not true.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:02 am to
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uniformed service members run from the anthem at 0800 every morning in bases across the country

Is this an AF thing? Don't recall the anthem being played.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 12:05 am to
School of hard knocks
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
Cali
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:00 am to
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Is this an AF thing? Don't recall the anthem being played.


Colors are played at every U.S. installation at 0800 every morning, during which they raise the flags.
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
Cali
Member since Dec 2008
1164 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:09 am to
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The Chinese government said the deals he was working with them on was "miraculous". And he needs to be tough on China imo, they have been screwing us with trade and currency manipulation.


But again it's working through a cylinder. I cant say I'm a saints fan in New Orleans, then talk tough about the saints in Atlanta.

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My veteran buddies and myself disagree with you on this one. But that's fine.


True. Beauty of America. Take my workspace here in Iraq: two of us can care less about kneeling. two of us are emotional about it and disagree with vehemently with the players doing it. But that's our personal opinions towards it, and we don't let our personal opinions affect the way we view each other. We still spent upwards of 16 hours a day around each other and is a force as a team in our line of work.

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Disagree again. He can comment on whatever but as of now with all of the deregulation we do have growth, and approaching 4% GDP finally. I think combined with the tax cuts the sky is the limit.

Thanks for the reply, but we can do what makes America great, agree to disagree.


The growth I was referring to was military growth. It is hard to grow the military when you reduce the source of income from which funds the organization.
Posted by Eden
Member since Nov 2014
477 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:19 am to
I was born into a conservative Christian household so my early foundations were normal conservative beliefs.
In high school I was given a good civics and American history education, and coupled with finding out about Ron Paul on the Internet and learning further for myself, I drifted over into libertarianism, where I remained for a while.
In college I briefly flirted with some SJW/progressive libertarian shite but quickly came around.

Then a combination of complete impotence on the part of the Libertarian Party, the subversion of the Ron Paul wing of the GOP into a more socially conservative mold around Rand Paul and a couple other Republican Congressmen, and Gary Johnson being mostly a meme disillusioned me about the prospects of a libertarian ever actually getting elected. I stopped paying attention until Trump ran.

When Trump ran, I realized he was the best shot anyone disappointed with the establishment had at breaking through. I started following him, mostly as a joke, then started really listening and coming around to some more conservative stances I wouldn't have entertained before.
And researching the Clintons after that really opened my eyes as to the state of affairs.
I'd really like libertarianism to be viable, but the open hatred that the (((globalists))) have for normal, Western white people isn't going to be defeated by playing live-and-let-live. Now I'm a hardcore traditionalist, proud of my people and their history, trying to get as physically fit and learn as much as I can about who we are, and looking forward to the day when this political establishment is upended and leaders who don't have a hard-on for erasing white culture can take us in the direction we need to go.
Posted by Royal Tiger Fan
Cali
Member since Dec 2008
1164 posts
Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:24 am to
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This is all conjecture at best, and disingenuous opinion at worst, but you're stating it like it's indisputable fact. Anyone with half and ounce of intelligence is rolling their eyes when they read something like this, I hope you know that.


So you disagree withy my statements. That's cool doesn't bother me one bit. But you don't have to imply that I'm not intelligent to try to score message board points.

How about engaging in a civil discussion as other posters who have disagree with me has done. Be that as it may, political beliefs are formed through the lens of which you view life. Take the Jerusalem decision. You formed your opinion of the matter through the lens of how you saw it all played out. I formed mine based on how I see it from where I sit. Next time try responding with sharing some of that "half and ounce" of intelligence that you have.

Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 12/18/17 at 1:39 am to
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(((globalists)))


Hmmm.
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