re: How did we wind up at *ODDS* with Iran? Scott Horton explains.

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While this is fine and has may have some truth to it, Islamic terrorists hated you WAYYY before any "meddling" by the US and

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It is a bit more complicated than that. Indeed, the conflicts in the modern Middle East in many ways can be traced to British and French colonial cartographers drawing random lines in the sand after the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire following WWI.

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Iran still can't have a nuclear weapon. Use any means necessary

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Why is this a problem for the United States to solve? Again, Israel is a nuclear armed power and has repeatedly demonstrated that it has a military fully capable of defending it’s own sovereignty.

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That was done by intelligence agencies from the US and Israel most likely

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"Most likely." So you've gone on one of the stupidest tangents in the history of this board merely because it's possible that the govt had a hand in the bombing. Newsflash, the govt didn't carry out the attacks. Islamic terrorists did. That is a fact.

Islamic terrorists want to kill you and your family and your way of life. We cannot allow them to get a nuclear weapon from Iran. End of story. Any other view, such as the stupid "zionism" skyscreaming, is naive and detrimental to our existence.

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WT7 did not kill itself. Muslims did not do it

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Factually incorrect. Even if you are bringing in the conspiracy theory of internal demolitions, we KNOW that is was Attah and his crew the flew the planes into the buildings and they would do it again and again 1 million times over. There is no disputing that. You are acting like they wouldn't conspire with anyone to smuggle in a dirty bomb. Hell, they may have done it already

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you tried to blame innocent people for on top of that

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I asked you before who are these "innocent" people? You didn't answer

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I'm not going along with that bullshite

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That's because on this issue you are stupid. Gravely mistaken. You don't even know who qualifies as infidels which is Islam 101

I will say this again - you are missing the headline. Islamic terrorists cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. We must use every means at our disposal to prevent that. And you can cut the bleeding heart crap about innocent people

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Factually incorrect. Even if you are bringing in the conspiracy theory of internal demolitions, we KNOW that is was Attah and his crew the flew the planes into the buildings and they would do it again and again 1 million times over. There is no disputing that. You are acting like they wouldn't conspire with anyone to smuggle in a dirty bomb. Hell, they may have done it already

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They were trained by the CIA and the entire thing was a false flag attack to get the US into Israeli wars.

Do you think the intelligence agencies planted the explosives in the buildings in advanced without knowledge and being part of the attack in all forms? Come on.

Never mind the fact you're using the actions of a few to claim all even if I went by your official story.

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I asked you before who are these "innocent" people? You didn't answer

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The people you falsely blamed.

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That's because on this issue you are stupid. Gravely mistaken. You don't even know who qualifies as infidels which is Islam 101

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I already answered this.

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I will say this again - you are missing the headline. Islamic terrorists cannot be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. We must use every means at our disposal to prevent that. And you can cut the bleeding heart crap about innocent people

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Iran didn't carry out 9/11. Iran was part of the coalition after 9/11 until GWB started shitting on them in speeches calling them part of the "axis of evil". You're just trying to use guilty by association.

Do you want to talk about how Israel was formed by a policy of terrorism? They are the country that has a secret nuclear program and refuses to allow inspections or even acknowledge they have them?

How about all the times they have attacked our own forces?

They are ruled by their own religious extremists who hate Christians and think it ok to enslave and kill them for their own agenda? That those people are maintaining control by skipping elections and things behind the scenes in Israel?

While Muslims believe Jesus will return to kill the anti-christ, Jewish extremists instead beleive Jesus is burning in hell in his own urine and shite.

The justifications for why Muslims dislike Christians is also true for Jewish people. Idol worship, trinity, etc.

That Israel has completely infiltrated our political system and owns many of our politicians?

That Israel kidnapped American children so that powerful people from around the world could rape them, so that Israel could then blackmail them as part of the larger system of control? And since there are 0 arrests, that means those people are still in positions of power.

Those are the things that seem like an actual threat to US sovereignty, not that same tired arse neocon boogieman of the past 25 years.

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They were trained by the CIA and the entire thing was a false flag attack to get the US into Israeli wars

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Irrelevant. You keep acting like Islamic terrorism didn't exist for hundreds of years before that. And it doesn't matter who trained them. If they get their hands on a nuclear weapon, they have been clear - they will nuke Isreal first, US second.

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Never mind the fact you're using the actions of a few to claim all

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You can't get this through your head. It doesn't matter. What matters is that there are terrorists and they want to kill you

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The people you falsely blamed

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Are you referring to the people who carried out a terrorist attack on American soil? Those innocent people?

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I already answered this

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Wrongly. Multiple people pointed out to you that you were wrong

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Iran didn't carry out 9/11

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Irrelevant. We know they work with terrorists

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Iran was part of the coalition after 9/11 until GWB started shitting on them in speeches calling them part of the "axis of evil"

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Liberal, western political bullcrap that has nothing to do with terrorism

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You're just trying to use guilty by association

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Nope. I'm telling you facts. There are terrorists. They hated infidels WAYYYY before the US was a country

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Do you want to talk about how Israel was formed by a policy of terrorism? They are the country that has a secret nuclear program and refuses to allow inspections or even acknowledge they have them?

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Tell me about all that Israeli terrorism. Where they illegally cross borders and slaughter thousands of innocent people for no reason other than religious hate. Then keep hostages and torture them. And use churches and children as human shields. And then celebrate in the streets when their terrorist forces carry out attacks on REAL innocent people. And the adults hand out candy to the kids as a reward for blatant mass murder. Tell me all about that

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They are ruled by their own religious extremists who hate Christians and think it ok to enslave and kill them for their own agenda? That those people are maintaining control by skipping elections and things behind the scenes in Israel?

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It's amazing. All of the heinous evil things that Muslims have done and you're focusing on our only true ally in the ME.

Let me guess, there is a ME girl you're infatuated with and that's why your brain is so mixed up.

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That Israel kidnapped American children so that powerful people from around the world could rape them, so that Israel could then blackmail them as part of the larger system of control?

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Any americans that took part in this did so of their own accord. Don't blame Israel for that

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Those are the things that seem like an actual threat to US sovereignty

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Heinous and evil? Yes. A threat to US sovereignty? Laughable

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not that same tired arse neocon boogieman of the past 25 years

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You mean the facts that you keep denying because you're trying to get into some Persian girl's pants

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Irrelevant. You keep acting like Islamic terrorism didn't exist for hundreds of years before that. And it doesn't matter who trained them. If they get their hands on a nuclear weapon, they have been clear - they will nuke Isreal first, US second.

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Well you better come up with a plan B because they will get it. We just gave them information on our capabilities so they can go deeper next time, and they will start enriching at the same rate as before, not back to 1%.

I don't know, maybe they should have just allowed them to sell the stockpiles to France like they were before.

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You can't get this through your head. It doesn't matter. What matters is that there are terrorists and they want to kill you

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You should say they want to kill other people. Me personally they would not. Stop trying to fear monger me with this, you're making the wrong arguments.

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Are you referring to the people who carried out a terrorist attack on American soil? Those innocent people?

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9/11 was carried out by US and Israeli intelligence agencies, not Islamic terrorists and certainly not Iran. 25 years later and you shitty neocons still won't give this narrative up. None of those buildings came down because of the planes, they were demolished.

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Wrongly. Multiple people pointed out to you that you were wrong

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Like it or not, they are still an Abrahamic religion and as such I don't have difficultly among them.

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Irrelevant. We know they work with terrorists

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So does Israel and the US. One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

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Liberal, western political bullcrap that has nothing to do with terrorism

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That's just the fact. Iran was part of the coalition and left after GWB started naming them part of the axis of evil. Kinda hard to gain friendly relations with a nation if that's how you treat them after they are the very least make a gesture of goodwill.

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Nope. I'm telling you facts. There are terrorists. They hated infidels WAYYYY before the US was a country

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People have been using religion to do bad things for all of history. Even now I see people on this forum talking about nuking the entire area. Our president makes threats on world leaders etc.

Personally, I think you're likely a religious extremist yourself.

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Tell me about all that Israeli terrorism. Where they illegally cross borders and slaughter thousands of innocent people for no reason other than religious hate. Then keep hostages and torture them. And use churches and children as human shields. And then celebrate in the streets when their terrorist forces carry out attacks on REAL innocent people. And the adults hand out candy to the kids as a reward for blatant mass murder. Tell me all about that

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The country was founded by Zionist terrorists and that is still the case. In the 1940s, Jewish militias would bomb and shoot British officials. Pretty much terrorizing the Arab community and removing British control over the Palestine area. Many many attacks. They did it hoping to...remove Arabs from the land.

Do you want specifics like 1948 when they massacred 107 people including women and children?

They were multiple groups considered terrorists by the US. In the 50's they started to target other Jewish people who didn't go along with them(sound familiar).

Then there is the USS liberty attack. Probably involved in the Assassination of JFK who wasn't friendly to Israel and didn't want Israel to have nukes. He also wanted AIPAC to register as a foreign lobbyist under FARA - AIPAC no longer got pressure after his assassination.

And just to skip forward a bit and get to the punch - 3000 people on 9/11 seems to fit the bill since you were using it as justification for Islamists.

Oh, and they kidnap American children so that people in positions of power can rape them and get blackmailed for control in American politics.

I can keep going if you want. There is the whole Gaza thing you know.

Those people WOULD kill me. Because they are satanic.

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It's amazing. All of the heinous evil things that Muslims have done and you're focusing on our only true ally in the ME.

Let me guess, there is a ME girl you're infatuated with and that's why your brain is so mixed up.

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Not our ally. At least not the current regime with the Zionists extremists. They are the biggest threat to the US by far.

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You mean the facts that you keep denying because you're trying to get into some Persian girl's pants

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I've been married for many decades, go fish.

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Do you also believe Santa Claus and the tooth fairy are real?

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WT7 didn't kill itself.

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You should say they want to kill other people. Me personally they would not. Stop trying to fear monger me with this, you're making the wrong arguments

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The only way you are right about this is if you are a jihadist. Listen, tell your persian love interest that she's giving you bad information because unless she's a jihadist, they will kill her too

THOSE ARE FACTS

Feel free to look that up yourself. Don't take my word for it.

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9/11 was carried out by US and Israeli intelligence agencies, not Islamic terrorists

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Factually incorrect. Atta was neither American nor Israeli

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certainly not Iran

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Irrelevant

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you shitty neocons still won't give this narrative up

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Terrorism is not a "narrative." It is a fact

That girl has got your brain all twisted in knots. Hope she's worth it

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as such I don't have difficultly among them

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This tells anyone everything they need to know about you. You side with terrorists. People who slaughter civilians, torture the people they didn't kill and then celebrate. Good job

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter

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I have NEVER heard anyone say that Hamas are "freedom fighters." Did you know that they were shooting people who tried to get to the relief supplies we sent and then sold the food at an increased price to the "innocent" people you keep bleeding about? You are a deranged individual

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That's just the fact

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It has nothing to do with the history of Islamic terrorism. Nothing. A topic which you are proving to be COMPLETELY ignorant about

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Do you want specifics like 1948 when they massacred 107 people including women and children?

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Counter perspective

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Oh, and they kidnap American children so that people in positions of power can rape them and get blackmailed for control in American politics

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Link?

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I can keep going if you want

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Let's see, you've listed 2 conspiracy theories and 1 seemingly isolated incident that is possibly specious as your evidence. You haven't even gotten off the ground.

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Those people WOULD kill me. Because they are satanic

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That's interesting. You realize you live with many of them in this country? And they have their own democracy in their country?

I don't know if mental illness is causing your ignorance but, your perspective is uneducated. You can keep arguing stupid points or you can start to learn some history and Islamic theology.

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Yeah, he wired up all the buildings with explosives and did all the planning and everything else. Who do you think you are fooling with this kind of response?

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I fully acknowledge that there were some hard to explain irregularities about 9/11, however, you are trying to counter a fact about terrorism with a conspiracy theory that has, as of right now, zero proof

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I was called back then too for pointing out the Iraq war was bullshite and that they weren't really our enemies

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You are as wrong now as you were then. My word. You've learned nothing in 20 years. That's an incredible kind of stubborn. Rational people would be embarrassed.

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That I wouldn't have trouble being among them, and so on

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I'm pretty sure that even as stupid as your take is, you would still have your head cut off in minutes if you were to try to coexist in a jihadist camp

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You keep quoting tiny parts of what I say here and there to the point where I have no idea what the frick you are even responding to at this point.

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I've repeated that same factual statement numerous times. You should be able to understand it by now. Your political commentary about Iran/Israel/Palenstine is irrelevant. Terrorists exist and they want to kill you, infidel. Why you are sympathizing with them is beyond reason

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That kind of crap doesn't work on me

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But sympathizing with terrorist killers does?? You've had the same freaking ignorant, stupid, brainless stance for 20 years?? What is wrong with you? Iran collaborates with murderous fanatics who are bent on destroying your life.

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The idea that all Jewish people are alike is just ignorant collectivism

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I never said anything about that. The statement I made is a fact

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The majority of Jewish people are not extremists, just like the majority of Muslims are not extremists

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And this is the stupidity of your position. You are drawing a false equivalence between real terrorists and Israelis as a means to ignore the reality of terrorism.

You are operating from the stupid assumption that just because you don't have a problem with the terrorists, they won't have a problem with you. You couldn't be more wrong about that. The "peaceful" Muslims are not even relevant to this conversation just like Zionists are not relevant to the conversation.

Also, you keep trying to distract from the main point - TERRORISTS HAVING ACCESS TO A NUCLEAR WEAPON. That is the topic regarding the reason for us bombing Iran. Not Zionism, not western interpretations of ME politics, not "collectivism," not misunderstanding the poor Muslims all over the world, none of that moronic crap.

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I fully acknowledge that there were some hard to explain irregularities about 9/11, however, you are trying to counter a fact about terrorism with a conspiracy theory that has, as of right now, zero proof

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There aren't irregularities. The official story is a flat out lie. It was a false flag attack organized by US and Israeli intelligence for an agenda to take control in the ME and gain further control over US citizens.

Just because you'll only accept the official narrative doesn't mean it lacks proof. The simple fact of the matter is - fire doesn't melt buildings that way, and the physics of the either WTC doesn't line up because each floor would have provided resistance slowing the fall down, and it would have eventually STOPPED, not gone all the way to the bottom. ESPECIALLY considering the amount of mass the top half of the building lost because of how much exploded AWAY from the building.

It's only possible to fall that way with explosives. And the fact it was likely something call nanothermite that did it, which is not readily available outside highly connected people to governments, goes to show it was done by high level people, not people in a cave.

You can sit here and tell me otherwise, but you're wasting your time. I know who really attacked us on 9/11 and it wasn't Islamic terrorists. It was Zionist extremists. I've known for 24 years it was controlled demolition, I WANTED to be wrong, but the official story is a lie and doesn't hold up.

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You are as wrong now as you were then. My word. You've learned nothing in 20 years. That's an incredible kind of stubborn. Rational people would be embarrassed.

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I've been proven right for the past 20 years and many of those same people who did those things to be me back then are often friends now who no longer believe the bullshite either.

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I'm pretty sure that even as stupid as your take is, you would still have your head cut off in minutes if you were to try to coexist in a jihadist camp

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I'm not their enemy no matter how much you want to pretend I am.

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I've repeated that same factual statement numerous times. You should be able to understand it by now. Your political commentary about Iran/Israel/Palenstine is irrelevant. Terrorists exist and they want to kill you, infidel. Why you are sympathizing with them is beyond reason

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The only country that has a secret nuke program that refuses inspections and has attacked the US and their neighbors using terrorism is Israel. In addition to that, they kidnap American children for powerful people around the world to rape so they can be blackmailed and influence American politics to their benefit.

They also hate my guts and would love nothing more than to kill me because I will never bow to their Satanic agenda.

Why you are sympathizing with them is beyond reason. I hope the non-extremist Israeli citizens throw them out and Jewish people from around the world denounce them for what they are.

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I never said anything about that. The statement I made is a fact

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You constantly imply it. Such as that because there are many Jewish people in the US, they must also all be extremists, but most of them are not.

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And this is the stupidity of your position. You are drawing a false equivalence between real terrorists and Israelis as a means to ignore the reality of terrorism.

You are operating from the stupid assumption that just because you don't have a problem with the terrorists, they won't have a problem with you. You couldn't be more wrong about that. The "peaceful" Muslims are not even relevant to this conversation just like Zionists are not relevant to the conversation.

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You are just trying to fear monger me, but I have no fear except to break a commandment.

But this is another example of your collectivism at work - ignore the peaceful Muslims, only focus on so called extremists. Ignore the Jewish extremists, focus on the peaceful ones.

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Also, you keep trying to distract from the main point - TERRORISTS HAVING ACCESS TO A NUCLEAR WEAPON. That is the topic regarding the reason for us bombing Iran. Not Zionism, not western interpretations of ME politics, not "collectivism," not misunderstanding the poor Muslims all over the world, none of that moronic crap.

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Again, Israel is the terrorist nation that killed 3000 Americans on 9/11. They have a secret nuclear program with about 90 estimated nukes. Estimated because they deny the existence of it and do not allow ANY inspections from foreign nations.

They have near complete control our of government and we are all slaves to them via the debt based monetary system installed in 1913 by Zionists.

Because they believe it is their right to rule over the world and God will make the world their slaves in the end times.

Zionists are the biggest threat to my life and sovereignty.