re: How colossal of a frick up are you as a parent if your 15 year old goes to rehab?

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If being simply screwed up caused kids to murder their parents...

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I don't totally disagree, but I don't think it's just "drugs." Addiction to social media dopamine hits, vape pens (with weed or not) reinforce that kids (and a lot of adults) don't know how to self soothe. 40 year olds in my area do it through gambling, hunting, mimosa Thursdays before pickup, being overinvolved in daughter's dance, etc.

I don't know how old the Reiner kid was, but Gen X parents who just don't have the patience for any of their entitled shite, regardless of income, in red areas don't seem to suffer from a lot of this. The point I was making when you throw $400 iPads at 5 year olds, tell their elementary school teachers that it's their fault they can't spell, etc. it's just abdicating responsibility to anyone else other than the parents. The first article in the WSJ I saw about helicopter parenting was more than 20 years ago. Chickens roost. Nothing is your fault, it's someone else's. Zero agency or accountability (I'm not referring to real abuse.)

Therapists, etc., become the excuses for parents not to have to act like parents that are even slightly strict. Parents want someone else to be the bad guy, but kids (even before teens) understand you're abdicating all of your power because you're scared. Dogs can tell this between each other, and between humans. We think teenagers can't exploit this?

Add on drugs, and it's worse, but it was already out of control before drugs were added to the situation. Waste $40k on college so a kid that doesn't want to be there "gets the experience," etc. The enablement to avoid adulthood is strong.

The joke used to be women jumped from daddy's wallet to their husbands wallet (in LA, you got an MRS degree, where you weren't really expected to work after you had kids) into something far more damaging. "Men" that found a woman that would support their listlessness way too long. Play video games and get fat as your woman works two jobs.. recipe for male mental health disaster right there.

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. But blaming the victims is something I expect from leftists. Not Conservatives. It’s called the high road. Trump’s post was screwed up

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It was, as many of his self inflicted wounds are. But Conservatives blaming permissive parenting is only pointing out the obvious.

You're interpreting "victim blame" as the only two people who absolutely, positively, had the most blame in the upbringing of a child: the parents. Do I wish they died violently? Absolutely not. That's the summer of love folk. Fomenting rage against anyone is just planting seeds. You're a dumbass if you think the snakes you're raising aren't going to bite you some how.

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Good families have problem children. 

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I've seen two siblings from same parents, same home, same school, same church and just a couple of years apart turn out completely different.

One kid great and the other always in trouble.

It's baffling.

Because in Today's world parent don't get involved In their kids lives, things my dad learned me was respect your elders, yes sir, yes Mam no Mam dress right and my arse, was introduced to his alligator on numerous occasions i learned pretty quick,

Lot of kids today don't have that, i started drugs at 20yrs old cause it was cool, at least I thought, it was until I was 32 and in treatment

Kids today have no direction No sense of right or wrong my uneducated guess is this kid had issues with his parents and it reached a explosive end

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quote: “The program works for some people but it can’t work for everybody,” Rob said. “When Nick would tell us that it wasn’t working for him, we wouldn’t listen. We were desperate and because the people had diplomas on their wall, we listened to them when we should have been listening to our son.” Trust the experts.

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Looks pretty clear a big part of the problem was them sending him to “VIP Status” rehab places.

It’s a badge of honor there, a hot topic amongst the elite in the Country Clubs and private parties.

He was telling them it wasn’t working, they ignored him while crowing to the Botex crowd at cocktail parties how fortunate they were to have the connections to gain him entry to “Rehab of the Stars”.