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Hospitals Need To Face Consequences for Hiding Prices From Patients and Practitioners
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:21 pm
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Hospitals Face No Consequences for Hiding Prices
By Justin Leventhal
June 09, 2026
Imagine leaving a hospital with your newborn child only to learn your bill was $24,000 more than what it would have been at another hospital in the same area. This is the reality for some patients in the San Francisco area—and it is not unique. Across the country, identical procedures have wildly different prices depending on where patients receive care, and patients have almost no way of knowing those prices in advance. Federal transparency rules exist, but their penalties are minimal and rarely enforced.
Without meaningful price transparency, patients cannot comparison shop for care in any practical sense. Prices are hidden, inconsistent, and often unknowable until after treatment, forcing patients to make decisions without the most basic market signal: cost. In that environment, providers face little pressure to compete, allowing wide—and often arbitrary—price variation for identical services. Those inflated and opaque prices don’t stay contained; they feed directly into higher insurance premiums and larger out-of-pocket costs, ultimately shifting the burden onto patients.
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Congress can fix both problems. First, it should codify transparency requirements into statute rather than leaving them vulnerable to executive action. Second, it should impose meaningful penalties tied to hospital revenue or assessed per-violation, per-day. As long as penalties remain capped at insignificant levels, hospitals will continue to ignore them. Finally, CMS should condition eligibility for Medicare and Medicaid funds on demonstrated compliance with transparency rules. Together, these reforms would greatly increase hospitals’ incentives to comply.
Until these gaps are closed, hospital price transparency will remain more promise than reality. Presidents of both parties have pushed for greater transparency; now Congress must make it enforceable. That means codifying the rules and imposing penalties that matter. Without those changes, hospitals will continue to treat transparency as optional—and patients will continue to pay the price.
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Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:26 pm to NC_Tigah
People without coverage should pay the same price as insurance companies are paying for people with coverage
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:30 pm to NC_Tigah
If we fixed all the fraud and corruption in the medical field. Actual American citizens probably wouldn't have to go into debt for medical bills.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:35 pm to NC_Tigah
Didn’t the No Surprises Act address this?
After Googling, it looks like the No Surprises Act only applies to privately insured patients. So blatantly corrupt and stupid.
After Googling, it looks like the No Surprises Act only applies to privately insured patients. So blatantly corrupt and stupid.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:35 pm to NC_Tigah
Corporate Medicine, Big Pharma, Incorporated Physician Groups, and Private Equity is the name of the game, and as long as they're allowed to continually grease the palms of Politicians and Regulators nothing will ever change.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:35 pm to keks tadpole
quote:
People without coverage should pay the same price as insurance companies are paying for people with coverage
They pay a lot less
Hospitals are happy to get 10% from self pay
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:39 pm to 4cubbies
Once again you show your ignorance
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:40 pm to keks tadpole
quote:
People without coverage should pay the same price as insurance companies are paying for people with coverage
Agree.
I am 45 and my rate for insurance for a simple Blue Cross HMO policy with 40 dollar doctor office copays, 100 dollar specialist visits under one one of the Obama Care plans was almost 900 dollars a month with a 1k annual deductible and 500 for meds.
This is way too much for insurance even with a subsidy that would cut the price to 500 a month. Still way too much per month when I don't have to go to the doctor every month.
So I decided to go the uninsured route, I am going to seek out cash prices and see if I could save on every day meds without having to pay Blue Cross.
I already know some of my cholesterol and blood pressure meds are free at Sam's Club with my Plus Membership. I think my Diabetes meds are in the same boat. Ozempic may be a different story.
This post was edited on 6/11/26 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/11/26 at 3:46 pm to Neutral Underground
quote:well insurance itself is a scam
If we fixed all the fraud and corruption in the medical field. Actual American citizens probably wouldn't have to go into debt for medical bills.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:27 pm to Cosmo
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They pay a lot less
Hospitals are happy to get 10% from self pay
That's correct. So they idea is to make the entire bill as big as possible so that 10% of it is bigger than it otherwise would be.
And this is exactly why they negotiate better rates with insurance companies.
Compared to self pay patients, they get paid by insurance companies quickly and they generally know what they can expect, and that's worth something to them. So they give them better rates.
As always, the person who gets screwed in this equation is the person who is honest and wants to pay their bill.
This post was edited on 6/11/26 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:31 pm to 4cubbies
quote:Indeed.
blatantly corrupt and stupid.
Someone else noted that uninsured should have to pay negotiated insurance rates. He is 100% right! But that is ... wait 4 it ... against the law.
Regular rates for medicines/procedures are boosted, because many insurance programs negotiate % off of regular rate.
Of course if insurance says they'll only pay 60% of the regular rate, individual and facility participants are incented to boost prices so that a profit is attained at $60/procedure.
$100 for a $60-$70 procedure might constitute profiteering, but the only folks required to pay it, !by law!, are the uninsured. IOW, the same laws created by the same people who claim to have the "commonman" in mind.
Being FORCED to bill an uninsured patient is not why virtually any of us entered the field. Offering no details other than "trust me," there are ways to circumvent that process if one is willing to forego all charges.
I've given away a fortune in free care
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:35 pm to OchoDedos
quote:One of those three is not like the other two.
Corporate Medicine, Big Pharma, Physician Groups ... continually grease the palms of Politicians
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:35 pm to NC_Tigah
Medicaid doesn’t help. My dad used to get paid $118 for a tonsillectomy. He felt obligated to accept govt healthcare. If he didn’t there wouldn’t be a single ENT in a very Spanish speaking part of town that would provide these surgeries to the community. He would have made more not doing surgery and just seeing patients at that rate. It’s ridiculous.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:36 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:BINGO!
So they idea is to make the entire bill as big as possible so that 10% of it is bigger than it otherwise would be.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:38 pm to keks tadpole
Why would anyone get insurance if they get they same price that insurance pays.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:38 pm to Tarps99
quote:And you have the following issues?
So I decided to go the uninsured route
quote:Not a good idea. Unless you have few assets, one event could ruin you.
some of my cholesterol and blood pressure meds are free at Sam's Club with my Plus Membership. I think my Diabetes meds are in the same boat
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:41 pm to BHS78
quote:Because insurance still pays $1000s. I had a family members bill for a procedure that said $56,000. He paid $2,000 and the insurance company paid something like $7000. For more involved procedures the insurance's payment would go even higher while you top out at your deductible.
Why would anyone get insurance if they get they same price that insurance pays
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:44 pm to BBONDS25
quote:Medicaid is horrible ... especially for surgeons or "proceduralists." Worse yet, those were undoubtedly some of his sickest patients.
Medicaid doesn’t help. My dad used to get paid $118 for a tonsillectomy.
Posted on 6/11/26 at 4:52 pm to BHS78
quote:An insured patient undergoes $100K in billable care of which insurance pays $60K (the negotiated price) and the insured individual pays nothing. Yet, an uninsured patient is billed $100K. Does that clear things up?
Why would anyone get insurance if they get they same price that insurance pays.
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