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re: Homosexuality not caused by genetics. They ar not "born that way ETA Addit link added
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:35 am to cwill
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:35 am to cwill
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That blog post from 2013 by a preacher with a dead link to the NZ guy's "paper" is pretty solid and settles it!!!
So, studies published by a preacher invalidates it?
Do a search. I am not validating the study, but it seems odd that your dismissing it because a preacher published it is pretty odd, too.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:38 am to TrueTiger
Yes, we are weary veterans of the Gay Nature versus Nurture threads. We lost some good men on those threads . Vasquez, Williams, Sgt O' Reilly, brave men all. Sometimes True, I have to ask myself if it was all worth it ?
*Thousand yard stare
*Thousand yard stare
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:39 am to DawgsLife
What studies? Are the conclusions of whitehead being accurately explained? This thread is based on something that is no more solid than an unlinked TD poliboard thread by strannix.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:41 am to Breesus
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Wut
I pretty much said what I meant.
I am not saying that I condone the behavior. I think it's really messed up.
I am saying: I can see how a chain of events,could influence a person in those directions.
For a Klepto,he steals something once because he really wants it,but the adrenaline rush that he got,became addictive( of course I am oversimplifying)
For the serial killer,maybe a proxy revenge thing,or self hatred.
Basic sexuality though,I don't understand how that could be altered by events.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:43 am to cwill
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What studies? Are the conclusions of whitehead being accurately explained? This thread is based on something that is no more solid than an unlinked TD poliboard thread by strannix.
Actually, you are right that the link is broken. I shortened the link and it came up with a site about homosexuality and science....I don't have time to look at it, but I will leave the link here. I don't have time to see how credible it is. Maybe you guys can take a look. Again, it does not link to the study, but
to the site that originally hosted the study.
LINK
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:46 am to DawgsLife
Whitehead is a gay conversion therapist and he's misrepresenting the studies as highlighted by NC Tiger. Go figure. This board. 
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:47 am to auggie
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Basic sexuality though,I don't understand how that could be altered by events.
I have seen several explanations, but have no idea how credible any of them are:
Molestation as a child
Anxiety separation from a parent (Divorced)
are only two.
Keep in mind that they would not necessarily affect everybody the same. Just as some people can steal and not become kleptomaniacs, or kill and not become a serial killer.
People, (science) guess at a lot of stuff that cannot be truly proven.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:49 am to auggie
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It seems to me that that they must be born gay.
So all the prison rapes are done by gays?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:49 am to AUstar
I don't think it's genetic or conditioned. I believe it's a moral problem.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:49 am to Breesus
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Wut
Research has shown that, because of their brain anatomy, serial killers never develop a sense of attachment or belonging to other human beings,which means they do not empathize with their victims.
Low activity of the orbital cortex means lesser ability to suppress compulsions like violence, eating, sex and drinking. The core components of addiction, such as excessive drug use and drug relapse, are also mediated in the orbitofrontal cortex, establishing a parallel correlation between an addict’s brain and a serial killer’s brain.
A nurturing home can mitigate the expression of some of these predispositions. As usual, nature and nurture both play a role.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:55 am to Errerrerrwere
I'm going to have to say that OP lacks source choosing skills
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:57 am to FooManChoo
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I don't think it's genetic or conditioned. I believe it's a moral problem.
I tend to agree, but even if they are born that way, it would not change my view from a spiritual perspective. It would still be a sin to commit homosexual acts from a spiritual standpoint. It is also a sin to lie, steal, cheat on our taxes, commit adultery.
While I find homosexuality particularly distasteful, God sees all sin a "particularly distasteful". I treat homosexuals they same as I treat all other sinners....which would include me and you. I think we agree on what I just said, just by going by your past post history.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 7:57 am to DawgsLife
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Molestation as a child
Anxiety separation from a parent (Divorced)
are only two.
See,to me,if these things cause you to be gay,you were probably already gay.
If you are a straight kid that got molested,it seems more likely that you would grow up to be a serial killer,with a specific target.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:00 am to LSUGrrrl
quote:There are many examples in the animal kingdom of rape. Some of it is biologically necessary, like desert reptiles that encounter each other so infrequently that the male has to rape the female to prevent the species from going extinct.
There are also many examples in the animal kingdom of homosexuality or at least bisexuality.
Some of it is not, like dolphins committing rape just for the frick of it, or sea lions raping and murdering the pups of another species.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:01 am to AUstar
The short and ungratifying answer is that "it depends". Baseline genetics (sheet of music) and the interaction with epigenetic factors (the musicians and instruments) determine the quality of the music/symphony....
This point cannot be emphasized enough as the implications are far reaching/all encompassing. Good read below:
LINK
In short:
This point cannot be emphasized enough as the implications are far reaching/all encompassing. Good read below:
LINK
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Why Your Genes Aren’t Your Destiny
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Somewhat understandably, these remarkable discoveries led to “biological determinism,” the belief that human behavior and health is mostly—if not entirely—controlled by our genes. And it generated some pretty bold proclamations:
We now have the possibility of achieving all we ever hoped for from medicine.
Lord Sainsbury, Former UK Science Minister
Mapping the human genome has been compared with putting a man on the moon, but I believe it is more than that. This is the outstanding achievement not only of our lifetime, but in terms of human history.
Michael Dexter, The Welcome Trust
But it quickly became apparent that these heady promises weren’t going to pan out. Even Craig Venter, one of the first scientists to sequence the human genome, recognized the limitations of using genes to predict and prevent disease:
We simply don’t have enough genes for this idea of biological determinism to work. Craig Venter, Chairman and CEO of J. Craig Venter Institute
We now know that genes account for about 10 percent of human disease. So if our genes aren’t driving disease, what is?
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The Exposome as the Primary Driver of Health and Disease
The “exposome” is a concept that was originally proposed by Dr. Christopher Wild in 2005. (1) It refers to the sum of all non-genetic exposures in an individual lifetime, starting from the moment of conception. It encompasses everything from the food we eat, to the water we drink, to the air we breathe, to the social interactions we have, to the lifestyle choices we make, to the health of our parents at the time of our conception. In short, it’s the word scientists are using to describe the full range of environmental exposures that influence our health.
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The exposome has been broken down into the following three categories:
Specific external environment. This includes diet, physical activity, water, consumer and personal care products, lifestyle choices like smoking, infectious agents, chemical pollutants, etc. It also includes our environment at the earliest stages of our life, including our mother and father’s health at the time of our conception and gestation, the method of our birth, whether we were breastfed or not, and our early life bond with our mother and other social and psychological influences.
General external environment. This includes climate; urban vs. rural setting; traffic; our wider economic, social, and psychological influences including social status, education, financial status, and stress.
Internal environment. This includes internal biological factors such as metabolism, the microbiome, inflammation, hormones, and oxidative stress. (2)
In short:
quote:
Genes may load the gun, but environment pulls the trigger.
quote:
The Epigenome: Where Our Genes and Exposome Meet The “nature vs. nurture” debate—the question of whether our genes (nature) or environment (nurture) are more important to determining our health—has raged for decades. But the relatively simple distinction we’ve made over the years between genes and environment, as if they are separate and unrelated factors, turns out to be inaccurate. According to Dr. Randy Jirtle:
The nature vs. nurture argument is rapidly proving to be irrelevant, because we’re finding that the two forces interact in highly specific ways that alter gene behavior.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:02 am to Lsupimp
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We Are The World
Reasonably good song, until Bob Dylan chimes in with his tone-deaf "style."
I have long believed that homosexuality was due to genetic and/or prenatal hormonal conditions. Never a choice. Who would choose to be homosexual? Society has been unaccepting and even harsh to such people over time. Yet people are who they are, and they have gone to great lengths to conceal this while "in the closet."
It's sad state of affairs for them. Can you imagine trying to hide your heterosexuality from the world your whole life?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:02 am to Dale51
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So all the prison rapes are done by gays?
If you want to put it in another dudes butt,you are gay,and that includes prisoners.
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:06 am to cwill
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Whitehead is a gay conversion therapist and he's misrepresenting the studies as highlighted by NC Tiger. Go figure. This board.
I am curious. How do you know the studies are being misrepresented if you could not find them?
Posted on 7/4/17 at 8:07 am to auggie
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If you want to put it in another dudes butt,you are gay,and that includes prisoners.
I agree. All the prison rapists are simply violent gays...but why are gays so violent?? Were they born that way???
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