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re: Hey Democrats, if Kilmar Garcia isn’t MS-13, why does he have MS-13 tattooed on his hand?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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They remove you to El Salvador. Then claim they can't return you because you're under El Salvadorian jurisdiction. What can you do?
Who removes me on what basis to El Salvador from my country of citizenship?
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:11 am to Pettifogger
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Who removes me on what basis to El Salvador from my country of citizenship?
If the removal is illegal then why would this distinction matter?
It's not more illegal if you're a citizen. It's still illegal at the same as the other removal
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Well for one, there are deportation due process procedures for non-citizens involved in criminal acts that are entirely non-existent for US citizens.
So the distinction matters kind of a lot
So the distinction matters kind of a lot
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's not.
This is the legal scheme being blessed ITT. Now it has to defend its limits.
It's only absurd until it happens.
An El Salvadoran citizen, who was an illegal in the United States, was sent back to El Salvador.
Everything else is window dressing.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
I think your brain broke... your post is nonsensical.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
Your mental gymnastics know no bounds.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Did you ever argue the legality of Biden flying in illegals the last 4 years?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:18 am to Jake88
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So it's fine when they ignore detainers/holds placed on individuals by the feds?
Well that's a marked shift from the quoted text to which I replied
And answer. It's complicated. And not close to being settled.
Many courts have ruled that the federal government can't require states to enforce these detainers. The argument isn't as much as a supremacy argument, which is what your AI response was focusing on, as much as a 10th Amendment argument about compelling states to act.
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“The Federal Government may neither issue directives requiring the States to address particular problems, nor command the States’ officers, or those of their political subdivisions, to administer or enforce a federal regulatory program,” Scalia said. “Such commands are fundamentally incompatible with our constitutional system of dual sovereignty.”
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Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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If the removal is illegal then why would this distinction matter?
Really bro?
You are literally calling for this to happen right now. You are asking a country (El Salvador) to deport it's citizen to a foreign country (USA).
Good grief. Have some self awareness.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:20 am to Pettifogger
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to the extent this is true, the Court probably shouldn't issue orders involving impossibilities
And the govt probably shouldn’t ignore the legal process.
What value do the courts have - if they are going to be ignored?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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If the removal is illegal then why would this distinction matter?
What law states the removal was illegal?
Its is pretty clear.
You are to be removed to the country you entered the US from.
With exceptions, it cant be a contiguous country if you are not a citizen or resident of that country.
People born in el slavador cant be deported to mexico, the rightful place to deport him to is his nation of birth. That is our law.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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They remove you to El Salvador. Then claim they can't return you because you're under El Salvadorian jurisdiction. What can you do?
Ummmmm…… you are scrambling now. The difference is CITIZENSHIP.
And with that post you just argued against what you have been arguing for all thread.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 10:26 am
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:21 am to Pettifogger
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Well for one, there are deportation due process procedures for non-citizens involved in criminal acts that are entirely non-existent for US citizens.
If they're permitted to engage in illegality and ignore laws, why would these laws matter?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:21 am to goatmilker
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Did you ever argue the legality of Biden flying in illegals the last 4 years?
It was legal
I was openly opposed
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I'd love for one of these due process purists on the purported right to give us a game plan out of the absurdity they accept.
Ex:
They were largely silent when the last administration left the borders wide open and facilitated the intake of millions of illegal immigrants, including flooding our communities with them using our money.
So they're here, and now they have to go through a costly and lengthy process to be removed. You'd think some of these "really guys, I'm on your team" dudes would spend some of their energy game planning how they can remedy the crushing problem enemies of America have wrought on us via efficient deportation adjudication processes rather that spending weeks demanding we engage in unprecedented foreign relations machinations to solve a non-existent problem.
Ex:
They were largely silent when the last administration left the borders wide open and facilitated the intake of millions of illegal immigrants, including flooding our communities with them using our money.
So they're here, and now they have to go through a costly and lengthy process to be removed. You'd think some of these "really guys, I'm on your team" dudes would spend some of their energy game planning how they can remedy the crushing problem enemies of America have wrought on us via efficient deportation adjudication processes rather that spending weeks demanding we engage in unprecedented foreign relations machinations to solve a non-existent problem.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Really bro?
You are literally calling for this to happen right now.
No. I am not
quote:
You are asking a country (El Salvador) to deport it's citizen to a foreign country (USA).
No. I'm saying the admin is ordered to figure it out
It's not nearly as dramatic as your straw man
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did you ever argue the legality of Biden flying in illegals the last 4 years?
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It was legal
How was it legal? Did it not circumvent laws regulating migration?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:24 am to CleverUserName
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Ummmmm…… you are scrambling now. The difference is CITIZENSHIP.
When you're authorizing the government to act illegally, why would this matter?
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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If they're permitted to engage in illegality and ignore laws, why would these laws matter?
State the law that was ignored, and we can go from there.
Posted on 4/18/25 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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If they're permitted to engage in illegality and ignore laws, why would these laws matter?
They're not permitted to do so. They made an error, and if there is a criminal punishment or monetary comp claim resulting from it, relevant authorities or someone with standing can try and pursue it.
No idea why this isn't enough for you considering it's how we handle this when it happens 1000x a day.
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