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re: Here’s an interesting statistic…
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:52 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:52 pm to finchmeister08
Better yet, add the 80 Billion we left in Afghanistan!
Now you can have a posse at each school!
Now you can have a posse at each school!
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:53 pm to finchmeister08
In Israel they have a problem with terrorist attacks on schools. They armed and trained some teachers to back up armed security. It worked spectacularly.
There are a lot of schools in America that have trained and armed teachers. They won't show up on any mass school shooting news however.
There are a lot of schools in America that have trained and armed teachers. They won't show up on any mass school shooting news however.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:41 pm to finchmeister08
Or better yet, you pay about $200 for volunteer teachers to be trained and vetted to carry on campus.
Not to mention, in a many of those schools the local police would be happy to place security on campus.
Train and arm the employees (teachers) and you can save the $40 billion.
Not to mention, in a many of those schools the local police would be happy to place security on campus.
Train and arm the employees (teachers) and you can save the $40 billion.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 8:43 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Armed guards for every school is a terrible idea.
Your dad’s decision to not wear a rubber was far worse of an idea.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:04 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Because it's an over-reaction to something that is vanishingly rare. As many have pointed out, school shootings are sensationally reported but never placed in the proper context of a population of 330 million. Not only wouldn't it be worth the effort and resources, but, IMO, it's just a social and developmental negative to turn places for young people into pits of potential risk. I say the same thing about the over-masking - it encourages you to think of your fellow human as simply a set of potential risks that could harm you INSTEAD of as another potential pal. This country is TERRIBLE at assessing actual risks - and it comes from both sides. Just look at diet - tens of millions pump absolute shite and poison into their bodies (and into their precious children) without a second thought.
All of this.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:06 pm to finchmeister08
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finchmeister08
Damn, your OP is spot on.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:35 pm to finchmeister08
Actually we have sent over $54B to be laundered in Ukraine…..and more being proposed.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:46 pm to finchmeister08
What about payroll taxes?
What about benefits?
What about training?
What about hiring costs? Backgrounds? Recruiting?
What about equipment?
What about management costs?
Finding 292,704 armed security guards? There was just over 1 million security guards (armed and unarmed) in US 2021.
What about benefits?
What about training?
What about hiring costs? Backgrounds? Recruiting?
What about equipment?
What about management costs?
Finding 292,704 armed security guards? There was just over 1 million security guards (armed and unarmed) in US 2021.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:47 pm to finchmeister08
Let's go Brandon! FJB!
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:31 am to Big Scrub TX
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Because it's an over-reaction to something that is vanishingly rare. As many have pointed out, school shootings are sensationally reported but never placed in the proper context of a population of 330 million.
Ok I get your point, but I'm still not going to be arguing against guards at schools. A better solution is to allow teachers to carry, but I'm good with both having a school resource officer and allowing teachers to carry. Schools that allow teachers to carry haven't seen a shooting of any kind since that trend started.
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This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:32 am to imjustafatkid
quote:Without limit? Every single school should just have armed guards? That seems like nothing more than security theater to me - in addition to being expensive AND coming with the potential other negatives I mentioned.
Ok I get your point, but I'm still not going to be arguing against guards at schools.
quote:Nah. You're dealing with a small sample size from which we should be very skeptical of any "trends" gathered. I'm totally fine with no guns at school.
A better solution is to allow teachers to carry, but I'm good with both having a school resource officer and allowing teachers to carry. Schools that allow teachers to carry haven't seen a shooting of any kind since that trend started.
To be clear, there WILL be some school shootings each year. It's just that we shouldn't be quixotic about trying to address such outliers.
And, again, if we REALLY cared about kids dying, we'd take a good hard look at the school cafeteria. That is meting out literally millions of times more deaths and injuries than guns ever will.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:36 am to Big Scrub TX
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tens of millions pump absolute shite and poison into their bodies (and into their precious children) without a second thought.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am to imjustafatkid
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A better solution is to allow teachers to carry, but I'm good with both having a school resource officer and allowing teachers to carry.
I'm actually surprised in this climate that not more teachers would voluntarily want to conceal carry. I sure as heck would if I were a teacher.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:41 am to idlewatcher
quote:Really? I wouldn't even think twice about such remote risks. Life is for living, not fearing everything.
I'm actually surprised in this climate that not more teachers would voluntarily want to conceal carry. I sure as heck would if I were a teacher.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:54 am to Big Scrub TX
This isnt complicated to me. Wherever there is potential for crime, there should be law enforcement. A grocery store will happily hire a police detail to make customers feel safe. If resource officers in every school help, Its a small price to pay and it doesnt scream "fear" to me.
Schools should also be secure, fully fenced, and tightly controlled. If Katy ISD can piss away 70MM on a football stadium, and Palm Beach can spend 20MM on woke math books, we ought to be able to get security fences around schools.
Schools should also be secure, fully fenced, and tightly controlled. If Katy ISD can piss away 70MM on a football stadium, and Palm Beach can spend 20MM on woke math books, we ought to be able to get security fences around schools.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:54 am to the808bass
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Because it hasn’t been shown to deter shooters.
What if it (armed security) doesn’t deter shootings but can mitigate losses? Any number of lost students is heartbreaking, but single digits would be a lot better than 20 or 30.
The average active shooting is over in less than 5 minutes. On scene security (preferably LEOS) and/or armed staff members are your two best options at intervention. Certainly not beat police or a swat team
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:58 am to Big Scrub TX
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Armed guards for every school is a terrible idea.
What a dumb take.
Security to deal with external shiat
Handle internal BS like fights
Prevent property damage ie dumbass TikTok stuff this year to break sinks
First aid / first responder
Role model
What’s the down side?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:02 am to the808bass
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quote: Because it's an over-reaction to something that is vanishingly rare. As many have pointed out, school shootings are sensationally reported but never placed in the proper context of a population of 330 million. Not only wouldn't it be worth the effort and resources, but, IMO, it's just a social and developmental negative to turn places for young people into pits of potential risk. I say the same thing about the over-masking - it encourages you to think of your fellow human as simply a set of potential risks that could harm you INSTEAD of as another potential pal. This country is TERRIBLE at assessing actual risks - and it comes from both sides. Just look at diet - tens of millions pump absolute shite and poison into their bodies (and into their precious children) without a second thought. All of this.
My college roommate is a coach, teacher, and deputized. It’s not out of reach. There may not be shootings everywhere, but there are behavior problems in most places and teachers have no means to deal with it.
Some schools may not need it, but many do. It’s insane to think a teacher should fear students as young as 3rd grade.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:02 am to concrete_tiger
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What a dumb take.
Security to deal with external shiat
Handle internal BS like fights
Prevent property damage ie dumbass TikTok stuff this year to break sinks
First aid / first responder
Role model
What’s the down side?
You’re right, the role of an SRO is 3 pronged: LEO, mentor, teacher.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 11:30 am to finchmeister08
They need to use the $93 billion of unused covid money that everyone is talking about.
That doubles it to almost a million per school. I mean it's not rocket science
That doubles it to almost a million per school. I mean it's not rocket science
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