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re: Help me out with this COVID perplexities
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:30 pm to jptiger2009
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:30 pm to jptiger2009
There are better treatments than what you will get in a hospital. Going to the hospital is just another risk these days. How fat were these people?
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Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:32 pm to David_DJS
You'll have to take my word for it, but this guy was an avid runner. Stayed thin and in visibly good shape. Surely an exception to the typical COVID morbidity rate. But...
Could he have protected himself better? The us government says yes.
Could he have protected himself better? The us government says yes.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:34 pm to SCLibertarian
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If you want to take the risk out of living a fulfilling life, stay in a padded room, wear a mask, avoid crowds of people and be more like the crazy cat lady than normal human beings.
And yet so many on this board are terrified of chip-implanting, DNA-altering, mutation-causing, vaccines.
It's almost like peoples' risk calculations are not consistent.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:34 pm to jptiger2009
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I do it for my family and my fellow man
Lol what a load of shite. Nobody actually buys that you know. You can stop pretending you care about other people
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:35 pm to jptiger2009
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Help me out with why these people haven't changed the way they do things.
Because most of the "changes" are superficial. They are like hiding under your security blanket to keep the monsters away.
You think your cloth mask works?
See that "smoke"? That's the aerosol plume from your breath and it's escaping through and/or around every mask below a properly fitted N95. When the weather turns cold enough to see your breath, wear your mask outside and see how much comes through.
Now imagine that aerosol plume as you are walking through a crowd. It's not just your plume that's trailing you, it's the plumes of every other person you are passing near and surfaces you are touching where their plumes recently landed.
99.9999% of people you encounter are wearing things below a properly fitted N95, meaning that almost all the mask-wearing you encounter is little more than a security blanket.
Another point... People who are vaccinated can not only still get COVID (known as "breakthrough cases") but they can still pass it onto others. Contrary to what we were led to believe late last year the efficacy rate on these "vaccinations" seems to plummet after 3-4 months. A dirty little secret the media isn't talking about is the rise of breakthroughs. For example: Oregon official numbers
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During the week of September 26–October 02, there were 10,411 cases of COVID-19. 7,869 (75.6%)
were unvaccinated and 2,542 (24.4%) were vaccine breakthrough cases. The median age of
breakthrough cases was 46 years. 49 (1.9%) breakthrough cases were residents of care facilities, senior
living communities or other congregate living settings. 614 (24.2%) cases were 65 or older. There were
91 (3.6%) cases aged 12-17
Understand this about breakthroughs: They are only considered breakthroughs if is at least 14 days after being fully vaccinated (meaning both shots).
Another caveat is that the CDC is only reporting those breakthroughs which result in hospitalization or death.
So how many breakthroughs are there after just 1 shot? Breakthroughs of fully vaccinated people who don't end up dying nor require hospitalization?
On top of breakthroughs we have been seeing reports of menstrual issues possibly linked to the injections, myocarditis and pericaditis possibly linked to the injections and we're not even a full year into most people having had their shots yet.
These COVID "vaccines"... after 3-4 months they become another security blanket.
Also there are meta reviews on the benefits of things like Ivermectin.
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Conclusions: Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
The best solution at this time? Add extra Zinc to your diet, D3, C and speak to a doctor about human-strength Ivermectin use in early-stage COVID infections.
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are these real life cases of "give me liberty or give me death"??
I can't speak for any of those people because I do not know them, have not had conversations about this with them. For me though, it's about science. The scary, unblinking, real science I just presented (and linked), not the wishful thinking science-ism currently being practiced to paint these "vaccine" failures as solely the fault of the unvaccinated or mask-resistant types in order to avoid having to acknowledge the hard, scary truth.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:35 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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How fat were these people
Believe it or not, all are in visibly very good shape. The first lady is thin, and I see her ride her bike like everyday. The man was a runner, and the 70 year old lady was a semi-pro tennis player for years and years. Best looking 70 year old that I personally know.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:38 pm to jptiger2009
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I do it for my family and my fellow man.
You did it because you were scared to death. The "for your family" and "for your fellow man" is just evidence that you are a bit ashamed of your fear and need to explain it another way.
This post was edited on 10/13/21 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:40 pm to jptiger2009
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Could he have protected himself better? The us government says yes.
The US Government says treatment methods that have been shown to work by other countries don't work. The US government refuses to acknowledge that there could be issues with the vaccines even as other countries suspend their use over concerns of the effects they are having.
Hell, our political leaders have apparently been using the very preventative methods that they don't want us using.
Using any of those clowns as an example is pathetic when many of our "leaders" have been caught on camera numerous times without masks on in settings where they should have been wearing them.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:41 pm to Bard
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science-ism currently being practiced to paint these "vaccine" failures as solely the fault of the unvaccinated or mask-resistant types in order to avoid having to acknowledge the hard, scary truth.
I'm not in to blaming anyone who is taking an active role is stopping the spread, whatever that may mean today. You speak of science; well, we have to keep up with science. The science of preventing disease is ever changing. I'll continue to listen to what most doctors are saying to do.
I'll admit that some of the initial preventive measures were over the top, but mask wearing is not one of them.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:42 pm to jptiger2009
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You'll have to take my word for it, but this guy was an avid runner. Stayed thin and in visibly good shape. Surely an exception to the typical COVID morbidity rate. But...
Do you understand how rare it is for a legit very healthy 40 yo to die solely because he contracted the virus? I've read of some cases involving undiagnosed health problems - a guy with advanced but undiagnosed cancer (not diagnosed because he didn't bother checking out acute back pain during the lockdowns that ended up being bone cancer rather than a strain).
Did you know that up until about 35 years old, a person is more at lethal risk from the annual flu than Covid? So your 40 yo colleague, avid runner, fit as a fiddle - him dying from Covid is like him dying from a bout with the flu. Possible? Sure, there are 330 million of us in this country and there all sorts of outliers all over the show - but what are the odds this really happened compared to the odds that you're full of shite?
And understand that you're about the fifteenth guy to come along in these threads in just the last month with a similar story . . . so do the math on that, and it tells you that about another 500 need to come along between now and Christmas with the same story before we need to take one seriously.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:43 pm to jptiger2009
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Because we'll all die at some point. If you want to take the risk out of living a fulfilling life, stay in a padded room, wear a mask, avoid crowds of people and be more like the crazy cat lady than normal human beings.
That's fair, but I can tell you don't have kids.
I have two grown kids, and two grandchildren.
I echo those sentiments exactly. So now what?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:43 pm to moneyg
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You did it because you were scared to death. The "for your family" and "for your fellow man" is just evidence that you are a bit ashamed for your fear and need to explain it another way.
Who are you not listening to the federal, most state, and several municipalities for? Why??
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:44 pm to jptiger2009
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Now imagine that aerosol plume
Yea, not only will the mask not stop it, if you aren’t covering your eyes, it’s an even bigger waste of time
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:44 pm to tiggerfan02 2021
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So now what?
I guess pray to the lawd?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:47 pm to jptiger2009
Mask wearing is absolutely one of them and every study since the early 1990’s says so
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:48 pm to jptiger2009
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Who are you not listening to the federal, most state, and several municipalities for?
what?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:50 pm to jptiger2009
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Oh right, you still think you can't get COVID more than once. That Trumpism is a lie, bro
And there it is, for all to see!
Posted on 10/13/21 at 10:52 pm to jptiger2009
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You speak of science; well, we have to keep up with science. The science of preventing disease is ever changing.
Part of keeping up with it is being willing to acknowledge its limitations.
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I'll admit that some of the initial preventive measures were over the top, but mask wearing is not one of them.
Refer back to my points on aerosol plumes and limitations.
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I'll continue to listen to what most doctors are saying to do.
And every day that amount of doctors dwindles a little as more and more time passes allowing more adequate studies to be done.
Tell me, what's the normal process and average timeframe for new drug approval by the FDA?
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:04 pm to jptiger2009
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Who are you not listening to the federal, most state, and several municipalities for? Why??
Did you not hear Joe, Kamala, Cuomo and most all dim leaders say they can't trust any vaccine produced under a Trump administration and they'd NEVER take it?
Are you not aware that the death rate for covid is way overblown because of the federal government incentivising hospitals to report as many deaths as possible as Covid deaths? This means they were reporting any person that died with Covid, as dying from Covid, and that just wasn't true.
Have you not seen Fauci flip flopping on almost every comment he's ever made? He even admitted he lied to protect us from knowing the truth.
So, I ask you, how can anyone have faith in this very new "vaccine", that really isn't a vaccine?
And don't say you trust the government. Do you remember Russia, Russia, Russia? What about "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor"? These have all been exposed as lies, so how can we trust anything we hear?
Posted on 10/14/21 at 12:27 am to jptiger2009
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still attends neighborhood gatherings while unmasked
quote:You are under the misimpression masks are self-protective. Turn CNN off, do some reading, and educate yourself.
Wife goes to funeral unmasked.
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