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re: Healthcare cannot be fixed
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:00 am to Taxing Authority
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:00 am to Taxing Authority
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You simply don't have the population of freeloaders and moochers we do here in SG.
Then work on that problem.
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Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:00 am to ultratiger89
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Not speaking from personal experience but I’ve talked to many people who had to get obamacare and said it was a total shitshow and very expensive premiums.
This was before I met my wife but she couldn't afford her insurance anymore as a small business owner after Obamacare passed.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:02 am to Taxing Authority
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Inusrance companies are in a no win position.
The win would be for them to go out of business in the everyday healthcare segment. Catastrophic only.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:09 am to ultratiger89
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I’ve talked to many people who had to get obamacare and said it was a total shitshow and very expensive premiums.
A galactically stupid social worker I knew was so excited for Obamacare because she would finally have health insurance after the mean Republicans had denied affordable insurance to her. Then she found out what her premium would be and she decided she couldn’t afford Obamacare. I laughed and laughed.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:09 am to Eurocat
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Not necessarily, it works in Singapore where I have family, Higher taxes, yes, but zero insurance payments, combined they pay less and get more.
Yeah. And you know why? Here's at least one reason...if the policy is still in place. Had a buddy who worked there several years ago. Said that in Singapore, the government pays for everything for your first two children. Education, college, medical, everything.
Starting with the third kid, you pay for everything. Even government housing...maximum occupancy is 2 parents and 2 kids.
Imagine the money our system would have if we didn't give free stuff, welfare, etc, for a third, fourth, and fifth kid.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 1:15 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:11 am to Eurocat
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Then work on that problem.
Give me Lee Kwan Yew as president and Congressmen and we'll get it done. But we keep electing morons. Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:11 am to Tunasntigers92
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Is healthcare in Singapore good or bad?
It is excellent. Thailand also.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:13 am to the808bass
I have Obamacare, I am income wise above what gets subsidies but I pay about 600 bucks a month, and sure, it's not cheap. It's my choice not to go work for someone and be an independent one man business and I know that. But it keeps me from having to sell the house if I get cancer or hit by some drunk driver in a car accident. And I get much cheaper drugs, a few free checkups. I dunno but I have no complaints.
I am sorry but it seems that some of the complainers want "something for nothing" when it comes to health care. I am sorry, but everyone has to pay a bit.
I am sorry but it seems that some of the complainers want "something for nothing" when it comes to health care. I am sorry, but everyone has to pay a bit.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:14 am to 10thyrsr
quote:No doubt the 3rd party payers are driving much of the problems in healthcare today. But Americans, increasingly, do not want to pay for their own isth. So, if the private insurers go away, we'll just end up with socialized medicine. The ultimate 3rd party payer--that has no accountability, and the ability to take as much money from us as it wants.
The win would be for them to go out of business in the everyday healthcare segment. Catastrophic only.
We need a culture change. Not a insurance change. Interesting Singapore was brought up. Totally different culture, that's nothing short of amazing. (those some on here think it's the same as China
).Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:15 am to Taxing Authority
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of course not. Patient's aren't the customer. The insurance company is. And since they pay they determine the rules of the game.
They take the money given to them by the consumer and then take away our agency. Cant you see how my argument that we don't need them is valid?
Insurance companies are turning a profit. That means all the money everyone is paying in is ALWAYS greater than what they spend. They take our money, and decide how to spend it.
Normally, when you invest money, people are supposed to act with fiduciary responsibility. It is your money, and they have an obligation to make it perform to the best of their ability. They act in the best interest of investors.
Why is this absent in healthcare? They take our money, but instead we are a contributor and not a human being.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:15 am to Taxing Authority
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Give me Lee Kwan Yew as president and Congressmen and we'll get it
Then you admit the problem is not the health care bill per-se which is all I am saying. We have to be tougher on people.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:17 am to 10thyrsr
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They take the money given to them by the consumer and then take away our agency. Cant you see how my argument that we don't need them is valid?
You should stop paying them right away then.
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Insurance companies are turning a profit. That means all the money everyone is paying in is ALWAYS greater than what they spend.
Health insurance companies run about 5%ish profit margins. Take 5% of your premiums and let me know if that warms the cockles of your heart.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:17 am to Eurocat
As they say on sesame Street, one of these things is not like the other. Take a look at the people that reside in these 2 countries and tell me who attempts to make better choices in life.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:19 am to the808bass
I know I will get tomatoes and potatoes thrown at me for saying this but this all is an argument for socialized medicine.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:21 am to Eurocat
quote:Nope, not at all. Obamacare is a symptom of people that don't want to pay for their own isht, and our government giving it to them.
Then you admit the problem is not the health care bill per-se which is all I am saying.
quote:We don't have the culture for personal responsibility any more. Nor the leaders to re-establish it. Most of all we don't have an electorate that will vote for more personal responsibillity.
We have to be tougher on people.
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 1:25 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:22 am to 10thyrsr
quote:No. No it doesn't. That is a horribly over-simplified view of how insurance companies work. .
That means all the money everyone is paying in is ALWAYS greater than what they spend. They take our money, and decide how to spend it.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:23 am to Eurocat
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Okay, I slip and fall while going out to get my mail, hey it happens, broken leg, insurance covers it or not?
Seems like a broken leg would require a visit to the hospital no?
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:36 am to HeadCall
Yes, I was asking poster :"Taxing Authority" if that qualifies under his system or would I pay cash out of pocket, which with xrays and so on can all be tens of thousands.
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:40 am to Taxing Authority
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Interesting Singapore was brought up. Totally different culture, that's nothing short of amazing. (those some on here think it's the same as China ).
So true. Singapore and Bangkok are both destinations for medical tourism. Bangkok hospital has a comprehensive exam package for under $900 for ages 35-50 that includes EKG, abdominal ultrasound, everything blood test you can think of, fibrosis, thyroid ultrasound, chest x-ray, ophthalmologist exam, gastrointestinal exam, liver function exam, kidney function, etc, etc. One stop shopping, takes about 5-6 hours. Yeah, $875 may be a chunk of money...but what would all of that cost in the US if you had no insurance.
One stop shopping. I once asked my general practicioner why, when they had me already knocked out for a colonoscopy, they couldn't do a prostate biopsy at the same time, since they're both sticking something in my arse. He didn't have a good answer...just "two different specialists, blah blah blah."
Bangkok Hospital
This post was edited on 7/6/25 at 1:43 am
Posted on 7/6/25 at 1:40 am to Eurocat
quote:You quoted another poster, not me. And I don't have a "system", so have no idea what you're asking.
Yes, I was asking poster :"Taxing Authority" if that qualifies under his system
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