re: “He held fast to the belief that vaccines caused autism…

Its not hard. Do a study here.. in the US. a study that looks at the specific vaccines American kids take, which are nothing like the ones in Europe and Asia.

a study that's unbiased, untainted by money, and reputable. In other words, a study that will never happen. So just get rid of requirements and see if neurodevelopmental cases move. See if these ancient diseases like polio, and rubella spike.

Its the only way we'll ever know.

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Yes, Political Science did indeed debunk this.

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And for further clarification… “debunk” is just the left’s short version of “liar liar, pants on fire”. Someone well paid by an NGO said it wasn’t true, so the big pharma media is doing what their overlords command.

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Not by any medical professional we saw. They would just mmmhmmm when we told them.

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Yep.

That's how it goes.

Had you pressed the issue you would have been told, "There's no medical evidence to suggest that conclusion," and they would have simply refused to talk about it after that.

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I can’t even fathom why so many people are actually against studying what is increasing autism.

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They won't consider it in the medical community because they believe that vaccines are worth it even if they do cause a certain number of cases of autism.

And they believe that because they believe that the only way to keep, say, polio from coming back or for a mass outbreak of deadly measles to occur is to have as close to 100% vaccination rate as possible.

If you look at the declining rates of most diseases that we vaccinate for, the incidences decreased for the most part as a response to improved hygiene, sanitation, indoor plumbing, refrigeration of food, etc. The big decrease happened before vaccinations were introduced.

I'm not saying vaccinations do nothing, certainly they do. On top of all that other stuff they contribute a solid percentage of positive influence, if not the main one.

But they do have severe side effects in rare cases. Which probably means they also have less severe side effects in more cases.

But we'll never know. The medical community DOES NOT want any significant percentage of the population to choose not to vaccinate. So they aren't going to pull on any thread that could possibly unravel to any conclusion that would encourage that outcome.

My son was extremely outgoing a funny up until around 5yrs old. Then sensory issues began. He would absolutely meltdown if temperatures were too cold or hot. He couldn't deal with certain materials of clothing or tags touching his neck. He was ultra sensitive to loud sounds and bright lights as well. There was no consoling him when he had one of his flip outs. He's 19 now, and has grown out of some of it. I think it all still bothers him but he just deals with it better.

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It is very concerning to see so many people against autism studies and/or say the science is settled or clear on this subject.

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no one is against that.

but so far the studies are pointing to other things: genetics, age of the parents when the child was born (increasingly older parents is another direct correlation) and some environmental factors.

MMR is probably more researched than anything else and time and time again there isn’t a link.

On the flip side, the whole anti-vaxxers want to talk about conflicts in studies, I have not found a single study that shows a link that wasn’t done by an employee of an anti-vaxx organization.

and you can also look at Vaccines like the polio vaccine and see if work in every country it’s implemented in regardless of sanitation.

if you look at deaths in the US from 1910 to present you see a sorta baseline # of polio death of around 1000

and a few spikes.

but it falls off a cliff in the mid to late 1950 and is essential 0 now.

now if you can find me a nationwide sanitation project that effected every community within 2-3 years go ahead.

but we also saw the polio vaccine come out.

It’s become a political issue, that’s why. Take Sammy for example. He’ll die on this hill, not because of some study in Denmark but because his party and their corporate donors have told him not to be skeptical about this.

I just think the new left wing doctrine around vaccines is ironic considering the bodily autonomy argument supporting abortion rights.

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It’s become a political issue, that’s why. Take Sammy for example. He’ll die on this hill, not because of some study in Denmark but because his party and their corporate donors have told him not to be skeptical about this.

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Oh yeah it’s political which is why I care about enormous studies of populations.

OR thats just fricking how logic works.

opinions should be based on research and the research doesn’t support a link.

and i’m all for continuing to study it and they are and they still haven’t found a link.

How can they say what doesn't cause it if they don't know what does?

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There are many causes of autism.
Research suggests that autism spectrum disorder (ASD) develops from a combination of: Genetic influences and Environmental influences, including social determinants (the economic and social conditions that influence individual and group differences in health status.)

These factors appear to increase the risk of autism and shape the type of autism that a child will develop.

However, it’s important to keep in mind that increased risk is not the same as a cause.

For example, some gene changes associated with autism can also be found in people who don’t have the disorder.

Similarly, not everyone exposed to an environmental risk factor for autism will develop the disorder.

In fact, most will not.

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So if you agree there should be a robust and honest study in the US, wtf are you bickering and downvoting everyone for?

We are saying the same thing. We just don’t accept a few foreign studies with completely different vaccine schedules for completely different diseases as conclusive. Why would we?