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Have we witnessed the single largest violation
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:32 pm
Of civil rights and individual liberties during this lock down? Or do the emergency orders by the governors supersede the individual’s constitutional rights?
Not bitching, genuinely curious what y’all think.
Not bitching, genuinely curious what y’all think.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:36 pm to tigerinthebueche
Yes, but who’s regulating it?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:37 pm to tigerinthebueche
Japanese americans have a legitimate claim to that title.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:37 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Or do the emergency orders by the governors supersede the individual’s constitutional rights?
In this supposed constitutional republic of ours, no.
But people don’t really care for liberty.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:39 pm to Jack Daniel
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Yes, but who’s regulating it?
Most people agree and understand the stay home orders. What will be Interesting is to see if protesters rights are violated.
That’s where I think we’ll see legal challenges - and likely rulings that are in favor of the right to assemble and the courts tell the governors to pound sand.
I can’t imagine a court says “you have those rights unless the government says you don’t”.
Because then you never really had them. It’s a farce.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
Slavery might be bigger, don't ya think?
But, we are definitely getting screwed. My businesses are being hammered through no fault of my own.
Total BS.
But, we are definitely getting screwed. My businesses are being hammered through no fault of my own.
Total BS.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:40 pm to tigerinthebueche
I guess they didn’t technically have civil rights and individual liberties because it wasn’t written down as law, but slavery and Jim Crow were pretty shitty
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:43 pm to tagatose
quote:That was at least for legit reasons.
Japanese americans have a legitimate claim to that title.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:47 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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Slavery might be bigger, don't ya think?
Well yes, from the historical perspective. But if (back then) slaves were considered property and not citizens, what claim would they have to any rights?
Dammit man, don’t derail my query!
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:47 pm to tigerinthebueche
What constitutional rights have been violated? States have police power.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:48 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Jim Crow was orders or magnitude worse than this. In many towns, law enforcement was actively persecuting citizens.
Jim Crow were pretty shitty
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:49 pm to tigerinthebueche
In the last 50 years perhaps. Yes.
But Jim Crow was a pretty big abridgement of individual liberty, as was the internment of hundreds of thousands of Japanese, German, and Italian-Americans (yes, people of German and Italian descent were sent to interment camps also).
But Jim Crow was a pretty big abridgement of individual liberty, as was the internment of hundreds of thousands of Japanese, German, and Italian-Americans (yes, people of German and Italian descent were sent to interment camps also).
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:49 pm to boosiebadazz
Boosie, you’re a Lawyer, right? Are the governors orders limiting or prohibiting church and other gatherings a violation of ones constitutional rights? What about banning entry into towns and cities by citizens from
Other states and towns?
Other states and towns?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:50 pm to tigerinthebueche
Antifa was given a green light in certain cities to wear face coverings during protest. Now not so much.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:51 pm to baybeefeetz
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What constitutional rights have been violated? States have police power.
Assembly for one, no?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:54 pm to tigerinthebueche
I am a lawyer but I’m also eating Oreos and milk and giving my daughter a bottle so I’ll be brief: yes, they’re constitutional for the most part. States have police power and can prohibit the time, place, and manner of assembly. Some of my fellow slapdick barrister brethren can take it from there. But you can also start at page 10 of this LINK
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:54 pm to tigerinthebueche
If a hurricane hit and there was a mandatory curfew, is that technically an impediment to your rights? Yes.
If there was a war, and the draft was reinstated and you were forced from your family to fight overseas, are your rights violated? Technically yes.
Is pretrial detainment a restriction of your freedom before a guilty verdict? Yes.
Is a Terry stop a restriction of your liberty to move freely? Yes.
Are regulatory policies a violation of somebody’s ability to conduct business the way they see fit? Yes.
The government has certain powers that supersede your rights. They have these powers to protect the population as a whole. These are not a violation of your constitutional rights just bc you want to do something the government says you can’t because it’s either an emergency or for protection of the people.
Governments can create crimes out of behaviors that you deem acceptable but most do not. Governments can declare states of emergencies and restrict your “freedoms” temporarily and your constitutional rights are not violated. Governments can detain you, arrest you, hold you without bond without a verdict of your peers.
You don’t have the right to spread pandemics bc you want to go to the Crab Shack for lunch. You don’t have the right to violate curfews during emergencies or hoard supplies because you want to, or price gouge to make an extra buck. You don’t have those rights. And your movement can be restricted by both federal and local governments for the greater good. And that means you can’t go to work so be it.
The government - local, state and federal have certain powers over you. This country is not a free for all like some believe.
If there was a war, and the draft was reinstated and you were forced from your family to fight overseas, are your rights violated? Technically yes.
Is pretrial detainment a restriction of your freedom before a guilty verdict? Yes.
Is a Terry stop a restriction of your liberty to move freely? Yes.
Are regulatory policies a violation of somebody’s ability to conduct business the way they see fit? Yes.
The government has certain powers that supersede your rights. They have these powers to protect the population as a whole. These are not a violation of your constitutional rights just bc you want to do something the government says you can’t because it’s either an emergency or for protection of the people.
Governments can create crimes out of behaviors that you deem acceptable but most do not. Governments can declare states of emergencies and restrict your “freedoms” temporarily and your constitutional rights are not violated. Governments can detain you, arrest you, hold you without bond without a verdict of your peers.
You don’t have the right to spread pandemics bc you want to go to the Crab Shack for lunch. You don’t have the right to violate curfews during emergencies or hoard supplies because you want to, or price gouge to make an extra buck. You don’t have those rights. And your movement can be restricted by both federal and local governments for the greater good. And that means you can’t go to work so be it.
The government - local, state and federal have certain powers over you. This country is not a free for all like some believe.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
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That was at least for legit reasons.
Hard disagree.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 8:56 pm to boosiebadazz
Nah that’s good enough. You have said the key words. Dude can research it from here.
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