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re: Has there been "regime change" in Iran?

Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:07 am to
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:07 am to
Current estimates indicate that approximately 1,400–1,500 individuals have been killed inside Iran, with thousands more injured.

Current reports indicate 13 U.S. service members killed and about 140–150 wounded so far in the Iran conflict.

Regarding financial impact, initial Pentagon briefings estimated U.S. military expenditures at $11.3 billion during the first six days, while external assessments now place total direct costs at over $16–23 billion and increasing as operations progress. Additionally, disruptions in the oil market are contributing to broader global economic consequences.

I was all in on rounding up illegal criminals, gang members, drug dealers and giving them a one-way ticket back to where they came from. But, did we vote for "regime change" from someone that wanted “No more endless wars.” I know I didn't.

But, either way, here's a simple metric of support for the current war with Iran:

Would you be willing to send your son or grandson to fight for this?

Simple question on belief and commitment.

My response would be "No".



Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63505 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:07 am to
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Yes. The old regime is dead. Gone.


How so?
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83706 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:07 am to
Who the heck are they even negotiating with now is what I'm wondering

They just targeted the guy that was supposedly setting up negotiations and killed his wife for extra credit
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23090 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:11 am to
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For the life of me, I can’t understand why we aren’t airdropping small arms and droning Basij until the people can get to them. A domestic uprising on top on US and Israeli strategic bombing would topple the regime.

That and an “iron or lead” deal with some IRGC leader to flip the army or have them take a knee was what I assumed was in place during the lead up to war with Mossad planning sneaky Mossad things.

Apparently there was none of that.

I simply don’t understand given our much, much larger domestic and geopolitical issues why this was chosen now outside of whatever lobbying was done by Israel in the lead up so I don’t give the administration a free pass for taking the escalation path to an unnecessary ground war.

If he wants to walk this path to regime change that’s his choice but I’m not going to defend it or support it while none of the things I actually care about domestically happen.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83706 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:13 am to
Regime change doesn't even matter at this point, it's like killing a cartel leader, a new head pops in and just continues the same shite as before
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97728 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:14 am to
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Which you will immediately claim is a success if it happens


Why would I claim.success?

If the ppl of Iran arent freed from this regime and we dont control the oil with a puppet regime like Venezuela then its a total fail

I know you arent the brightest
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476047 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:15 am to
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Who the heck are they even negotiating with now is what I'm wondering

They just targeted the guy that was supposedly setting up negotiations and killed his wife for extra credit


Did you see the report a few nights ago that the IRGC has taken control?
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22164 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:15 am to
[quote]So who is in power now, exactly?[/
From what can be gleaned it seems that the leadership is more than just one person. I don’t think Iran is going to come out with specifics due to the newly minted leadership being eliminated about as quickly as they are announced.

Oh and I see a lot of Mission Accomplished similarities so maybe the giddiness of an actual regime change should be tempered a bit.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476047 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:17 am to
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If the ppl of Iran arent freed from this regime and we dont control the oil with a puppet regime like Venezuela then its a total fail


Prepare for massive failure, if that's your expectations.

We aren't going to control their oil. Never were.

And actual regime change would require boots on the ground and a long-term forever war, and it's not clear we could even do that (like Afghanistan)

quote:

from this regime


But I'm glad to see you agree that no regime change has occurred.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476047 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:17 am to
quote:

Oh and I see a lot of Mission Accomplished similarities so maybe the giddiness of an actual regime change should be tempered a bit.


Exactly why they pivoted to the "there has been regime change" propaganda
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96767 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:18 am to
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Hegseth and Trump have started claiming that "regime change" has occurred as a result of this war with Iran.


That could mean multiple things.

Regime change as in physically removed

or

Regime change as in change in idealogy.

Text handsome Pete and ask him which one he means.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90338 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:18 am to
Look at SlowhandlotionPro all giddy!
Posted by canyon
MM23
Member since Dec 2003
22164 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:18 am to
quote:

How so?

Are they still following a dead man?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97728 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:19 am to
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Look at SlowhandlotionPro all giddy


Just like all the far left

But hes totally a down the middle straight shooter
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476047 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:19 am to
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Look at SlowhandlotionPro all giddy!


I will take massive failure and a huge L for the admin over a forever war.

I'm not particularly upset that the admin is pivoting to cope with that failure. I prefer it to the forever war alternative.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
19125 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:19 am to
I guess that answer lies with the dust settling, it’s been a 4 week attempt of 55 years of building up a terrorist system fill with tyranny towards it’s own citizens for generations now, stockpiling up and building infrastructure for such event taking place. Levels of leadership has been reduced but still many more to go. I suppose the further down the leadership list the weaker the talents get
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63505 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:19 am to
quote:

Are they still following a dead man?


What?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476047 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:20 am to
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Just like all the far left

Or, you know, MAGA, 2-8 years ago.
Posted by SirWinston
Say NO to War
Member since Jul 2014
104464 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:20 am to
No. The ruling party is more secure today than they have been in quite some time.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83706 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 7:20 am to
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the ppl of Iran arent freed from this regime and we dont control the oil with a puppet regime like Venezuela then its a total fail
it's hard to fathom given the successes of the campaign but if this is the true barometer of success then it will be a colossal failure

The people aren't going to be freed, or will cost too many American lives bc of what's necessary for that to happen
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