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re: Has anyone opposing tariffs and is "of authority" offered a solution?

Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:23 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:23 pm to
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You really think all these countries are acting in their own detriment? Really? Really???


Yes. Just like other protectionism, like when the EU paid 200M Euros to destroy perfeclty good wine

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Several major wine-producing regions in France, particularly the famed Bordeaux area, are struggling because of a cocktail of problems from changes in consumption habits, the cost-of-living crisis and the after-effects of Covid-19.

A fall in demand for wine has led to over-production, a sharp fall in prices, and major financial difficulties for up to one in three wine makers in the Bordeaux region, according to the local farmers’ association.

An initial European Union fund of 160 million euros for wine destruction has been topped up to 200 million euros by the French government, Agriculture Minister Marc Fesneau told reporters at a press conference on Friday.

The money was “aimed at stopping prices collapsing and so that wine-makers can find sources of revenue again,” but he stressed that the industry needed to “look to the future, think about consumer changes ... and adapt.”


The philosophy behind that story and tariffs are the same. Do you think either are rational?
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:23 pm to
China/ India and Australia along with Brazil can supply all our food needs

Is that what you support?

If we encouraged it SE Asia could supply most pharmaceutical products plus most basic goods we consume. You in favor?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:24 pm to
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So we promote slavery


Now you're pivoting to emotional arguments.

You may as well adopt the language leftists used for the same argument, and say "sweat shops" or "exploitation" or "colonialism"

Note: I have a long history on here arguing in defense of "sweat shops" for developing nations. I used to destroy leftists on here on the reg making your emotional argument. It used to be celebrated, but the posters on this board have changed
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:25 pm to
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China/ India and Australia along with Brazil can supply all our food needs

Why did you include China, a huge net foot importer?

Posted by Riverside
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:26 pm to
Friedman’s theory on tariffs is utter insanity and that’s why no nation of significance would ever embrace it.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:27 pm to
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That’s the media.


No, it's that ridiculous chart he used that intentionally mislabeled the tariffs against the US column. The media has nothing to do with that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:28 pm to
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Friedman’s theory on tariffs is utter insanity


Well he's one of the biggest opponents of leftism in economics, so consider what that means about taking the opposing side of him.
Posted by KiwiHead
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:30 pm to
Stupid people want stupid things and get stupid prizes as a result.....congratulations.
Posted by Midtiger farm
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:32 pm to
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Why did you include China, a huge net foot importer?



They also are the leading exporters in multiple commodities
They would be helping those other countries feed us
They could redirect some of those exports to the us if we encouraged
They could up their subsidies if we asked them to

That’s what you want ? Correct?
Posted by Paddyshack
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:32 pm to
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Stupid people want stupid things and get stupid prizes as a result.....congratulations.

**says the guy who voted for Biden and Kamala**
This post was edited on 4/4/25 at 7:33 pm
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
2698 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:33 pm to
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Well he's one of the biggest opponents of leftism in economics, so consider what that means about taking the opposing side of him.


The only conservative hope is that this wild ride is temporary and results in other countries lowering their tariffs against American goods.

It's a big game of chicken right now, is Donald Trump going to take it to the end.
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
5113 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:35 pm to
We both know you are simply trolling and taking a contrarian position to stir up the crazies. You have no reverence for Friedman—you’re like an atheist using scripture to persuade a religious person.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:35 pm to
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That’s what you want ? Correct?


You're attempting the "national security" argument.

Give me a defined list of everything that you want protected for "national security", first. No moving targets. Then we can judge which is national security and which is "infrastructure" (to use the Democrat equivalent from a few years ago)

Child Care is Infrastructure, remember

NYT: The Debate Over What ‘Infrastructure’ Is Is Ridiculous

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We’re in the middle of a loud debate over what, exactly, counts as “infrastructure.” The word has come to be associated with the country’s physical assets: our national highway system, the pipes that bring us water and the cables that bring us electricity, the tarmac in our airports and the tracks on our train routes. These things are infrastructure because they are underlying systems that facilitate other critical functions — moving people and goods, connecting communities, delivering necessities. They are important for what they make possible.

But they are not the only systems that undergird critical needs. President Biden’s next legislative priority is fixing the country’s decrepit infrastructure as a way to help the economy rebound from the pandemic, and he’s taking a more expansive view of what falls into that category. The first half of his package expands home- and community-based care for seniors and the disabled, and he has promised to include more so-called soft infrastructure in his follow-up American Family Plan, including investments in child care and paid leave.

Republicans are lining up their opposition to the package behind the idea that these things aren’t “real” infrastructure. “There is a core infrastructure bill that we could pass” focused on “roads and bridges and even reaching out to broadband,” Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, told “Fox News Sunday.” “So let’s do it and leave the rest for another day and another fight.” Business lobbyists are pushing hard to get Mr. Biden to drop the caregiving parts of his package. But it’s not just conservatives; it’s (mostly) men of differing political persuasions. Politico’s Playbook deemed it “silly” to call home care services for the elderly and disabled infrastructure.

It’s only silly if you think men in hard hats are the only ones who work on systems that are critical to the functioning of our economy and our society. The women of color who predominantly take care of young children, elders and disabled family members, allowing everyone else to go to work and school, might disagree. They have long known that their work makes everyone else’s possible, whether we invest in it adequately or not. Both snarled traffic and a morning without a home health aide can make you late for work.


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Paid leave might seem like a counterintuitive plank in an infrastructure package given that it helps people stay away from work. But it does so when we are at our most vulnerable — when a new child arrives who demands constant feeding and attention, after a serious injury that leaves someone unable to work for long periods of time, or when a loved one lands in the hospital. Without paid leave, these events often explode people’s lives into unrecognizable bits, including their bond to their jobs.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:36 pm to
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That's great replying to a post where I quoted Milton Friedman


Nobody gives a frick dude. Keep crying about Trump, see where that gets you.

Typical shite from someone who doesn’t know anything. Guess what, none of us do. All speculation, period.


But please, keep doing what you do. We love comedy.
Posted by BeepBopBoop
Northshore
Member since Dec 2023
712 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:36 pm to
Yes they want their cheap chinese shite, their social security checks, a fake pumped up market and no jobs for their grandchildren.
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:37 pm to
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We both know you are simply trolling and taking a contrarian position to stir up the crazies. You have no reverence for Friedman—you’re like an atheist using scripture to persuade a religious person.


That’s all he ever does. He has an inferiority complex, not sure why but hey, stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:37 pm to
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We both know you are simply trolling

I have been promoting Milton Friedman for going on 20 years here.

He only became controversial in 2016. I can't think of why...

Me remaining intellectually consistent is not "Trolling", no matter how far MAGA takes the "conservatives" on here to the left. I'll remain ideologically pure, as I have been since 2005.

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You have no reverence for Friedman

I've only been referencing him and citing his work on here for almost TWO DECADES. I guess it was the long con, right? Just waiting for someone to make the board turn left and spring the "Troll trap"
Posted by Riverside
Member since Jul 2022
5113 posts
Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:37 pm to
You’ve also totally abandoned any effort to explain why other nations would keep tariffs if it was such bad policy, beyond saying the governments of every nation on earth are irrational.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to
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Typical shite from someone who doesn’t know anything.

Milton Friedman knows a bit.

He's one of the most important anti-Leftist economists of the past 100 years.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 4/4/25 at 7:38 pm to
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You’ve also totally abandoned any effort to explain why other nations would keep tariffs

I did. Domestic protectionism. I even gave a non-tariff example of the same protectionism irrationality. Did you miss it?

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